Notices by 404.city (404city@mastodon.social), page 4

@one @kaidan @koenaro
All instant messengers enabled https://f-droid.org/en/ do not support push.F-droid does not include push support software in the opensource software repository)

@one @61
I say that different companies can not create identical instant messengers. XMPP is designed for real use by large companies as a transport between different messengers. XMPP is a special Internet for instant messengers.

@one @61
There is no single rule. No one decides in XMPP what is bad, what is good.
No one forces you to use one type encryption that you consider unsafe. XMPP is freedom.

@one @61
You do not understand. XMPP is more than an instant messenger. This is a network for instant messengers. XMPP is created so that you can send messages from Facebook to telegrams, matrix, tox. XMPP is not specifically looking for 100% compatibility.

@one
You will not be able to send one message from the 404.city server that will not be TLS encrypted. We do not accept any unencrypted connections from any client or server.

@one
You will not be able to send more than one message from the 404.city server that will not be TLS encrypted. We do not accept any unencrypted connections from any client or server.

@one @61
>and that’s exactly what I mean. 5 ways of achieving essentially the same thing.

XMPP is a network for instant messengers. This is not a messenger. You can use one messenger and one server and get 100% compatibility.

@one
TLS by default is used in XMPP. You will not be able to connect to the 404 server without encryption.

@one @61 There are old customers. There are new customers. New customers support new extensions. We have XMPP not one client and not one server and therefore not everything is updated on time.

@one @61

When you talk about default encryption. What kind of encryption are you talking about? In XMPP, I know at least 5 types of e2e encryption)

(By the way, there is default e2e encryption in XMPP, on some servers)

@frank Not. Because can not find out who owns the account

@one
We do not live in an ideal world, in your example with cryptocurrencies you can see how to appear an infinite number of incompatible solutions.

XMPP has the goal of unifying all instant messengers, XMPP is not a messenger.

The matrix may be part of the XMPP, but the developers of the Matrix refused it.

The matrix will not be able to raise money if it becomes a real federation. When one super server and one super client, it is easier to convince investors that they are cool.

@one
We do not live in an ideal world, in your example with cryptocurrencies you can see how to appear an infinite number of incompatible solutions.

XMPP has the goal of unifying all instant messengers, XMPP is not a messenger.

The matrix may be part of the XMPP, but the developers of the Matrix refused it.

@one push notifications come through Google and servers Apples) Many people do not like it.
Why make people who don't like to use it?

@one
There is no one correct way. What is good for some, bad for others. XMPP allows you to select, server, encryption, technology stack, client.

Matrix protocol is an infinite number of incompatible forks in the future.
If they want to change the encryption in the matrix, two matrix appear and etc)

@one
push notifications go through google server. Many XMPP participants protest against the use of push notifications, so push is just an extension.Why force push to use those who don’t want it)

@one The matrix has big problems than XMPP, but they successfully hide them at the expense of more funding spent on the client. Currently the matrix is not suitable for use as a federation.

@one
The same person compared the encryption in the Matrix and called this encryption even worse than OMEMO https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2019/03/10/a-look-at-matrix-orgs-olm-megolm-encryption-protocol/ LOL)

@one
most servers support all the necessary extensions. Current customers support the all-new expansion.Proof https://compliance.conversations.im/

@one
Modern XMPP client is not what it was in 2000