Notices by Xerz 💗 [UNMOVED] (espectalll@mstdn.io), page 102

@hfaust @quad See, this is exactly the kind of attitude I'm talking about. You use this one app casually, use it a few times. Keep it laying around at the downloads folder. Forget you have it there, and you download by accident a duplicate. Or you keep different versions, and you can't easily know which one is which. And you may download a malware-filled version by accident. And so on.

@hfaust @quad eww, relying on manually checking through the web browser and not using GPG signing or even a hash

@quad Of course, you also get the advantage of running the software isolated and with permissions. Which surely can't be a bad thing.

Personally I'm finding problems with a few Flatpak apps but they're rather because they're buggy than because the installer doesn't work. Perhaps I could help debug that?

@quad I really can't stand people downloading a binary and leaving it just there tbh... why do I work on doing updates to software if you're just not going to bother updating because it's easier to just download once... and I'm not going to put an update daemon because that's just next level of dirty. I feel like many people also feel like this and thus why I think you'll see a lot of devs pushing towards Flatpak instead of AppImage this year, even if just for testing dev builds.

@lain such a loving community 😍

@quad (yes, you can't do that on Void, but it's still copying and pasting a single command)

@quad What's so hard about it? Literally just open a file on GNOME Software and the program gets installed. And it's not intended to replace all of the OS, it's just for userspace applications.

@quad ...but then the program itself still has to take care of dependencies. And if you don't want that and instead rely on repositories, you get Flatpak (which has a thing called "bundles")

@quad That's the problem though 🤔

@quad It's the Electron of Linux apps. It's heavy, it's unsafe, it copies the worst model (Windows' portable .EXEs) it's a mess.

@quad AppImage is actually shit because of that. It's as dirty as it gets. Dependencies are all shipped within the binary, which are very likely to end up duplicated both in the HDD and in the RAM (and do if you run multiple processes of that AppImage and/or have multiple AppImages). You have to take care of putting the program somewhere (that place usually ends up being the desktop or the downloads folder), and either you update them manually or have to code an update daemon into it.

@Normandy Well, at least it now uses GNOME instead of Unity... I guess.

@quad Actually no, since nowadays many software packagers just want to do it once for all distros and with goodies such as isolation. So you'll see more and more Flatpak over time.

I wonder why Atom doesn't work on Musl by default, though. Because Chromium works just fine.

@quad (also you can get apps such as Atom through Flatpak with no issue whatsoever: https://flathub.org/apps/details/io.atom.Atom)

@quad I honestly was waiting for Musl because I wanted locale support - but as you can see, that's not a problem anymore.

nice

"Españoles... GNU... ha muerto"

I'm glad to say that Musl finally works well on Void and seems pretty complete, locale included

@quad sugoi desu

@quad desu