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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jul-2023 17:09:18 UTC Bernie

   Trying rawhide on my laptop:

   ```
   sudo mkfs.xfs -f -L rawhide -s size=4096 /dev/nvme0n1p2
   sudo mount /rawhide
   time sudo rsync -HAXphax --stats / /rawhide/
   chsys /rawhide
   dnf update --enablerepo=rawhide
   ```

   DNF is currently downloading 2.1GB of packages...

   If everything goes well, I'll run grub2-mkconfig and hopefully os-prober will create menu entries for the other partition...

   #Fedora #Rawhide #RedHat #Linux

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 08:09:50 UTC Bernie

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     @adamw Hehe, I noticed! 😆

     Had to remove a number of python packages to complete the upgrade.

   • Adam Williamson :fedora: (adamw@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 08:09:52 UTC Adam Williamson :fedora:

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     @codewiz
     Cool! Note we *just* merged python 3.12 so there might possibly be a few issues related to that lurking, but all the big stuff should be fine.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 08:14:17 UTC Bernie

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     • john r red-horse

     @jrredho Ah, chsys is a script I wrote long ago:
     https://codewiz.org/pub/chsys

     It's a poor man's lxc or docker, using only bind mounts and chroot.

   • john r red-horse (jrredho@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 08:14:18 UTC john r red-horse

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     @codewiz

     "chsys"?

     A quick: sudo dnf provides "*/chsys"

     Returns: Error: no matches found.

     My system is running f38 Workstation.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 16:33:04 UTC Bernie

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     The 3.5 kernel gave me some weird rendering issue on the Intel GPU, so I reverted to 6.3.11.

     Other than that, #Fedora #Rawhide is running fine on my laptop so I'll keep testing.
     @adamw

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:46:30 UTC Bernie

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     @adamw 6.5.0-rc1 just came out, I'll try rebooting into it...

   • Adam Williamson :fedora: (adamw@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:46:31 UTC Adam Williamson :fedora:

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     @codewiz
     Great news! Yeah, 6.5 actually doesn't boot to a desktop on my laptop at all. That does sometimes happen with these early early snapshots. I didn't get around to reporting it yet, I'll do it when I'm back from PTO if it isn't fixed...

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:48:32 UTC Bernie

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     @adamw btw, this is still broken:

     Problem: conflicting requests
     - nothing provides python(abi) = 3.11 needed by python3-lsp-server-1.4.1-3.fc37.noarch

     And why would a noarch package need to depend on an ABI??

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:48:53 UTC Bernie

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     @adamw Hey I'm not pissed or anything, just curious 🙂

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 07:08:23 UTC Bernie

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     @adamw Is this due to the .pyc file format not making backwards compatibility guarantees?

   • Adam Williamson :fedora: (adamw@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 07:08:24 UTC Adam Williamson :fedora:

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     @codewiz python(abi) is just a sort of expression of the general truth that python packages are built for a specific python minor version. when we go from 3.11 to 3.12 everything has to be rebuilt; that dependency exists to conveniently codify that.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 15-Jul-2023 11:55:07 UTC Bernie

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:
     • Miro Hrončok :fedora: :python:

     @hroncok @adamw Thanks, both of you!

   • Miro Hrončok :fedora: :python: (hroncok@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 15-Jul-2023 11:55:15 UTC Miro Hrončok :fedora: :python:

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     @adamw @codewiz I wasn't there when it was introduced, and I have no idea why it is python(abi), but today, it esentially means the package belongs to the Python-version-namespaced directory, as you said.

   • Adam Williamson :fedora: (adamw@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 15-Jul-2023 11:55:17 UTC Adam Williamson :fedora:

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     • Miro Hrončok :fedora: :python:

     @codewiz I actually don't know the underlying reason! It's just one of those things I've never questioned. The immediate 'obvious' reason is that we install Python packages to directories named for the Python minor version - `/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages` and `/usr/lib64/python3.11/site-packages` for e.g. - but this of course just begs the same question...I guess @hroncok would know, probably.