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1. Jeff McFadden (jeffanddonkeys@spore.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 00:41:27 UTC Jeff McFadden

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   This excellent article brings to mind something which I believe about single-use plastic containers, but have never heard said.
   I believe that the global food supply chain we currently have could not exist without them.
   https://theconversation.com/decades-of-public-messages-about-recycling-in-the-us-have-crowded-out-more-sustainable-ways-to-manage-waste-208924

   • Jeff McFadden (jeffanddonkeys@spore.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 00:41:24 UTC Jeff McFadden

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     5. We have shit up the entire planet with plastic, from big chunks to molecule-sized pollutants in our brains, with plastic, in my lifetime.
     When I was a kid phones were bakelite and weighed as much as a dictionary, which was a big book printed on paper.
     I'm not saying, Oh the good ol days, I'm saying LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKING PLASTIC!
     We may have already excreted so much plastic we're going to die on it like yeast dying for my hangover, but if not, we have to admit why we use it, before

   • Jeff McFadden (jeffanddonkeys@spore.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 00:41:25 UTC Jeff McFadden

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     3. Plastic packaging is the heart and soul of America's food system.
     Before plastic wrapped hamburgers, grocery stores got half a steer at a time and cut up in-house.
     I grew up in that world. I remember it. In Kansas City, MO. I'm 76.
     Plastic as we know it was invented in my lifetime.
     Without plastic we could not grow almost all America's vegetables in California.
     We couldn't ship them. We couldn't handle them. We couldn't sell them.

   • Jeff McFadden (jeffanddonkeys@spore.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 00:41:25 UTC Jeff McFadden

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     4. I do not defend the system we have designed and built, in fact I condemn it as the heart and soul of hubris, but I can see how it works.
     The same thing applies to demanding we just stop oil.
     If we stopped oil tomorrow without some serious prep work, millions really would die.
     We cannot have a global food supply chain without oil. Face that. Admit it.
     Want to stop oil?
     Create local supply chains. Grow food everywhere. Step 1.
     Quit shitting in the water. Step 2.

     Wonderskeptic repeated this.
   • Jeff McFadden (jeffanddonkeys@spore.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 00:41:26 UTC Jeff McFadden

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     2. Consider this photo, which has been floating around Twitter for several years, and is loose in the Federation as well.
     #plastic
     The reason those pears went to Thailand was to be put in that plastic.
     If they went into glass instead the package would weigh as much or more as the product and shipping energy would more than double.
     Because when you double the mass it takes more than double the energy to accelerate it to and maintain it at a given speed.
     Our current economy would collapse.