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1. Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 18:18:46 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

   I miss the days when a brand new OS would just let you reboot into a legacy OS. Happy 28th birthday to Windows 95! 🎉🎂🎈🍾🥂

   • Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 19:10:24 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

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     • Count Regal Inkwell

     @vinesnfluff No
     Windows 9x was not a "fancy" GUI. It was a full on standalone OS that had support integrated in its kernel. But if you wanted a clean DOS you had to reboot. There was nothing to exit to.

   • Count Regal Inkwell (vinesnfluff@equestria.social)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 19:10:25 UTC Count Regal Inkwell

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     @dosnostalgic let's be fair: Windows wasn't letting you "boot into the legacy OS", it was just letting you quit out of the shell, because at the time, it was literally just a fancy GUI shell for DOS, and remained so (for home users, enterprise users got NT in the early 90s) until Windows XP

   • Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 19:13:18 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

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     • Count Regal Inkwell

     @vinesnfluff Here's Raymond Chen, the guy who was essentially responsible for DOS in Windows, on how that actually worked:
     https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20071224-00/?p=24063

   • Speaktrap (speaktrap@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 21:59:59 UTC Speaktrap

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     • Count Regal Inkwell

     @dosnostalgic @vinesnfluff More like Raymond CHAD for me, this guy is awesome even though I hate Windows and M$

   • Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 01:11:20 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

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     • Count Regal Inkwell
     • Kristian

     @kly @vinesnfluff That only happened when you had a shitty DOS driver sitting in memory refusing to shut down. The command prompt was still very much Windows.

   • Kristian (kly@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 01:11:21 UTC Kristian

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     • Count Regal Inkwell

     @dosnostalgic @vinesnfluff when the black screen told you in orange letters that it was safe to shut the computer off, you literally had a shell, you just had to run the commands to clear the screen. Not saying win95 was just a fancy gui for dos, nor do I remember how functional that shell was given that I was in primary school when I messed around with it, but it was at the very least somewhat functional.

   • Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 01:14:57 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

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     • Count Regal Inkwell
     • Kristian

     @vinesnfluff @kly Try it. On a clean install it should do no such thing.

   • Count Regal Inkwell (vinesnfluff@equestria.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 01:15:04 UTC Count Regal Inkwell

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     • Kristian

     @kly @dosnostalgic aaaand now you got me wanting to set up win9x on 86box just to try that

   • Christian Tietze (ctietze@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 06:43:30 UTC Christian Tietze

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     @dosnostalgic Ah, fond childhood memories :)

     Looking back now, it's so awkward how you needed to pick 1 of 3 radio button questions and then confirm with "yes".

     Or pick something and decline with "no", which makes the picking useless.

     Great times

   • Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 22:36:33 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

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     • Kristian

     @vinesnfluff @kly Yeah, so I've done some testing. When you "Restart in MS-DOS mode" 95 runs its command.com. You can see it still sitting in memory when you do MEM after booting Win from it. That's what you're quitting into when you're on the shutdown screen. It's a 16 bit program that 95 kept running, since it was there before Windows was loaded. But that's not the case when it starts normally.

   • Count Regal Inkwell (vinesnfluff@equestria.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 22:36:36 UTC Count Regal Inkwell

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     • Kristian

     @dosnostalgic @kly Bonus: If you type 'win' instead of 'cls' it goes back to windows.

   • Count Regal Inkwell (vinesnfluff@equestria.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 22:36:43 UTC Count Regal Inkwell

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     • Kristian

     @dosnostalgic @kly PS this was a clean install. Or, cleanish. I did install the drivers needed to get sound/graphics properly out of 86box, cuz if I was setting this up, I might as well have it ready to screw around with some gaems.

   • Count Regal Inkwell (vinesnfluff@equestria.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 22:36:48 UTC Count Regal Inkwell

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     • Kristian

     @dosnostalgic @kly Well paint me purple and call me "Twilight", it actually works.

     The process goes:
     Load Windows -> Exit to DOS mode -> Load windows again -> Shut down -> When in the screen just do "cls"-enter and this happens

   • Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 22:40:44 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

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     • Count Regal Inkwell
     • Kristian

     @vinesnfluff @kly Now bonus:
     When you start 95 normally, go and rename Command.com in WINDOWS directory to something else. That's it. No more restarting in MS-DOS, no more command prompt in 95, no more Command Prompt Only from the boot menu. But 95 will still load, and besides the prompt you're able to run any DOS program, and minimize them, and try to put them in windowed mode, etc.
     Everything works as intended.

   • Anatoly Shashkin💾 (dosnostalgic@mastodon.social@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 22:53:53 UTC Anatoly Shashkin💾

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     • Count Regal Inkwell
     • Kristian

     @vinesnfluff @kly Oh, and if you properly exit DOS 7 using EXIT, then it actually quits, 95 loads, and once again you can do nothing on the shutdown screen.

   • Count Regal Inkwell (vinesnfluff@equestria.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 22:53:54 UTC Count Regal Inkwell

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     • Kristian

     @dosnostalgic @kly Fascinating, actually.

     Lil' oversight, doesn't actually change the OS's experience. But still cool to learn about.