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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:02:02 UTC Aral Balkan

   Some folks are suggesting you get a FairPhone without Google’s apps from Murena and I’m very confused… why would anyone want to do that?

   FairPhone is an ethical company that makes fair trade and environmentally-friendly phones. And FairPhone includes Google’s apps and promotes their use as a feature on their phones. As an ethical organisation, they would not do that if Google was in any way unethical. So Google must be at least as ethical FairPhone.

   So why buy a version without Google’s apps?

   • Toni :mastodon: repeated this.
   • fuzzyface (fuzzyface@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:04:21 UTC fuzzyface

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     • ar.al🌻

     @aral I think that FairPhone might be asking people to take baby steps. First a repairable phone and then maybe in a few years get people to stop selling all of their privacy to the devil of capitalism. Gotta sell the phones to make any progress...

     Toni :mastodon: repeated this.
   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:04:23 UTC Aral Balkan

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     • fuzzyface

     @fuzzyface But FairPhone thinks they’re as ethical as they are or they wouldn’t include and promote their apps. Do you mean FairPhone are mistaken? :)

     Toni :mastodon: repeated this.
   • fuzzyface (fuzzyface@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:04:24 UTC fuzzyface

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     • ar.al🌻

     @aral Maybe some people don't think that Google is quite as ethical or friendly or trustworthy as Fairphone? Maybe, just maybe. 🙂

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:04:43 UTC Aral Balkan

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     • fuzzyface

     @fuzzyface Or maybe they took venture capital and are now trying to scale as quickly as possible so they can exit.

     https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/110978891238384918

   • Steven Saus [he/him] (stevensaus@faithcollapsing.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:07:27 UTC Steven Saus [he/him]

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     • ar.al🌻

     @aral

     That implies only that FairPhone *believes* that Google is not and *would not* violate their ethical stances.

     I'm going to assume that those folks who don't want Google's apps DIStrust Google more than they trust FairPhone.

   • Toni :mastodon: (coloco@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:07:27 UTC Toni :mastodon:

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     • ar.al🌻
     • Steven Saus [he/him]

     @StevenSaus Con lo que he leído ya, desconfió de los dos. ¿Como vas a pensar que el diablo va a actuar bien?

     Es el mundo al revés.
     Desde que leí ese toot de Fairphone y Google estan juntos en no se que, ya no me gusta <fairphone, en serio.

     @aral

   • Toni :mastodon: (coloco@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:12:03 UTC Toni :mastodon:

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     • ar.al🌻
     • Jeffrey P Burdick

     @burdickjp Pero es perder su ética. "Hacer concesiones· con el demonio?
     No se , no se si es el camino.

     Eso es casi como que Gargron se venda su instancia de .social y .online al mejor postor no? Casi casi, no se no se, no me gusta.

     @aral

   • Jeffrey P Burdick (burdickjp@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 15:12:09 UTC Jeffrey P Burdick

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     • ar.al🌻

     @aral We're operating in a flawed society and economy, and working toward an ultimate ideal sometimes involves compromises with what is currently in front of us. We are constantly deciding what we're willing to fight for right now and what gets us closer to our ultimate goal. We're sometimes wrong. In this way a company trying to be ethical sometimes finds itself in compromises to achieve what they view as a solution which gets them closer to their ultimate ideal.

     The way out is through.

   • Toni :mastodon: (coloco@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 08:45:50 UTC Toni :mastodon:

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     • ar.al🌻
     • Steven Saus [he/him]

     @aral Ok ok, no me di cuenta, disculpas.

     @StevenSaus

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 31-Aug-2023 08:45:51 UTC Aral Balkan

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     • Toni :mastodon:
     • Steven Saus [he/him]

     @coloco @StevenSaus You realise my post (https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/110978864673373831) is sarcastic, right? I’m trying to present the problem with FairPhone legitimising Google on their phone.