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1. Christian Horn (globalc@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 17:50:53 UTC Christian Horn

   What is it like to move to a flat in #Tokyo ?
   Some details on searching, contracting, moving and local specialities.
   https://blog.fluxcoil.net/posts/2023/09/moving-flat-in-tokyo/

   • blami (blami@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 23:08:09 UTC blami

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     • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

     @Natanox @benoit @globalc I asked electrician who was wiring our place and in Japan they use a different protection scheme than in US. Electrical code here is to have short circuit protection rather than ground failure (wet places like bathroom and kitchen still should have ground screw - benefit here is you can disconnect older appliance while keeping it grounded). In newer places entire box has GFCI as on one of pictures in this thread.

   • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 23:08:11 UTC Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     • Benoit

     @benoit @globalc Fascinating. 🤔 The existence of outlets without ground is still so wild of an idea to me. Like, weren't people aware of the danger?

     I'm only used to highly standardized german buildings. Even the oldest buildings possible already got the "Schuko" plug everywhere.

   • Benoit (benoit@toots.benpro.fr)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 23:08:13 UTC Benoit

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     @globalc they sell adapters like this which make it even more ugly having the ground on the upper screw...

   • Christian Horn (globalc@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 23:08:15 UTC Christian Horn

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     @benoit Cool, was not aware. Good to know it's around now!
     Might be chicken and egg problem now to get appliances to also come with that plug.. because that's useless if you only have the old outlet :)

   • Benoit (benoit@toots.benpro.fr)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 23:08:16 UTC Benoit

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     @globalc that's because your apartment is not recent enough.
     I have the three prongs type, but I still need to fallback on the external ground cable depending on the appliance. 😅

   • Christian Horn (globalc@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 23:08:18 UTC Christian Horn

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     I was just using the washing machine for the first time and added another fun part to the article: power outlets do not have a proper contact for "ground". So outlets intended to be used by washing machines etc. have a small lid, a screw, and then you attach the ground cable manually..

     I wonder which content warning this needs for electrical engineers ;)

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Sep-2023 23:08:40 UTC Bernie

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     • blami

     @blami @Natanox @benoit @globalc Thank you for sharing this thread.

     Coming from Italy, I was also surprised to find so many older apartments in Boston and in Tokyo where plugs have no ground pin.

     I guess the lower voltage (100V AC in Japan, 120V in North America) makes an ungrounded chassis less deadly than in Europe (230V).

   • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 03:42:41 UTC Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     • blami

     @benoit @codewiz @blami @globalc Brazil be like "Yes!" when asked what plugs they use.

     Must be SO annoying moving there. 🙃

   • Benoit (benoit@toots.benpro.fr)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 03:42:42 UTC Benoit

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     @codewiz @blami @Natanox @globalc

     I found out that Italy uses plug type L, Germany uses type F, and France uses plug type E for grounded plugs and sockets.

     What a mess of standards. :reverse_grimacing:

     Interesting website: https://www.iec.ch/world-plugs

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 24-Sep-2023 03:43:13 UTC Bernie

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     • blami

     @Natanox @benoit @blami @globalc In Nepal, wall plugs and power strips tend to support all possible standards.

     https://www.thirdrockadventures.com/blog/electrical-voltage-plugs-and-adapters-in-nepal