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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 03:07:30 UTC Bernie

   Has anyone already tried out #bcachefs on their #linux system? And how good is it?

   https://bcachefs.org/

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 03:57:21 UTC Bernie

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     • Charles Christolini

     @binarypie It's been under development for 3-4 years, and finally it seems to be ready to merge into Linux 6.7:
     https://www.phoronix.com/news/Bcachefs-In-Linux-Next

   • Charles Christolini (binarypie@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 03:57:22 UTC Charles Christolini

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     @codewiz thanks for bringing this up. I haven't heard of it before

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 03:58:47 UTC Bernie

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     • Charles Christolini

     I'm using XFS because Btrfs had performance and stability problems every time I gave it another chance.

     I never bothered testing OpenZFS because an out-of-tree filesystem is a huge red flag for me.

     @binarypie

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 04:01:53 UTC Bernie

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     • Luca Ruggeri

     @lcruggeri What do you mean by "stand" in this context?

     The first bullet point on bcachefs.org says that it's a COW filesystem, like zfs and btrfs.

   • Luca Ruggeri (lcruggeri@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 04:01:54 UTC Luca Ruggeri

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     @codewiz btrfs stands to zfs while this one should stand to ext4. Just my imagination

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 05:46:49 UTC Bernie

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     • Luca Ruggeri

     @lcruggeri I'd like to see some benchmarks first. If it performs like ext4 while offering the advanced features of btrfs and zfs, I would consider
     switching my root partition to it.

     It will take some time before mainstream Linux distros will start offering bcachefs as an installation option, let alone make it the default.

   • Luca Ruggeri (lcruggeri@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 05:46:50 UTC Luca Ruggeri

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     @codewiz it's an idea of mine that it would be the successor of the ext filesystems, maybe it's the time of the night that's making me say weird stuff, kinda anxious now can't sleep

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 05:55:53 UTC Bernie

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     • Luca Ruggeri

     @lcruggeri Like most of us 😂

   • Luca Ruggeri (lcruggeri@mastodon.uno)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 05:55:54 UTC Luca Ruggeri

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     @codewiz don't consider what a sleepless person may say while he's not sleeping

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 09:20:14 UTC Bernie

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     • Benoit
     • Christian Horn

     @globalc @benoit If I were Red Hat, I also wouldn't want to explain to my paying customers how to recover an unbootable system when btrfs becomes "imbalanced".

   • Christian Horn (globalc@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 09:20:16 UTC Christian Horn

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     • Benoit

     @benoit @codewiz
     It's clearer if you distinguish: Fedora is heavily (full?) community driven, and has decided to do btrfs by default for Workstation. Fedora Server is still XFS, I think.
     For RHEL, the decision is rather what feels enterprise ready (stability, features, knowledge level of the employees - much plays in).

     I think the fact btrfs made it into Workstation as default shows how much community driven it is.

   • Benoit (benoit@toots.benpro.fr)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 09:20:18 UTC Benoit

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     • Christian Horn

     @globalc @codewiz I find it really weird that Fedora defaults to BTRFS when Red Hat has removed BTRFS support...

     This is like Red Hat sending a message here that BTRFS is only for hobbyists...

   • Christian Horn (globalc@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 09:20:20 UTC Christian Horn

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     @codewiz We had an info session some month ago, and it was taken in good spirit by our teams. Now next is to have stuff in upstream, and see how heavily it gets used by people, and how many issues get reported.

     When I installed Asahi remix on the work provided Macbook pro recently, that also was my first contact with btrfs. For Fedora server, XFS stays default at the moment.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 18:40:42 UTC Bernie

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     • Benoit
     • Christian Horn
     • makuharigaijin

     @makuharigaijin @globalc @benoit wow, not all families enjoy enterprise level IT 😆

   • makuharigaijin (makuharigaijin@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 18:40:43 UTC makuharigaijin

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     • Benoit
     • Christian Horn

     @globalc @codewiz @benoit
     That is how I use btrfs on the family laptops (Fedora and Arch). Btrfs on top of luks and snapper for automatic snapshots. No RAID. I stick to xfs and cephfs on the family servers.

   • Christian Horn (globalc@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 18:40:45 UTC Christian Horn

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     • Benoit

     @codewiz @benoit
     Yes, I think also others offering support just stick to the basics, no encryption/raid/compression.
     Using the snapshots to jumping back and forth after upgrades could be nice though - error prone to do with LVM snapshots and i.e. XFS ontop.