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1. Fabio Manganiello (blacklight@social.platypush.tech)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:04:19 UTC Fabio Manganiello

   #Threads is now officially defederated on this instance.

   Meta has gotten countless chances of doing things the right way, it has screwed up each single of them, and I want each single byte coming from that morally bankrupt monstruosity out of my life, my house, my network and my instance.

   Note however that, unlike other defederation talibans, I won't give a damn if you're an instance admin and you decide not to defederate Threads.

   I'm not afraid of Meta scraping my instance through other federated instances that haven't blocked them. If they want to scrape this instance, they can already do so via API or even search engine results, no need for federation - and they obviously won't give a fuck about your robots.txt or #nobot hashtags, we're talking of a company with no moral compass after all.

   If you want to give Threads a try, go for it. If you still need more evidence that Meta is irredimable and rotten to the core, go for it. Who am I to ban you/defederate you for holding a different opinion?

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:04:03 UTC Santiago

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     • Sally Strange

     @blacklight @SallyStrange totally agree with you Fabio. We haven't decided yet what to do, but already notice this need to punish instances that not defedrate Threads. Why not a third layer of blocking? or fourth? come on, this is nonsense. There is no way any bit of information from threads can go to a thread-blocking instance.

   • Fabio Manganiello (blacklight@social.platypush.tech)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:04:04 UTC Fabio Manganiello

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     • Sally Strange

     @SallyStrange I defederated Threads for very similar reasons, but I wouldn't go as far as applying the transitive property to anyone who doesn't defederate them. I feel like it can quickly escalate in a nasty twist of the "my freedom ends where somebody else's freedom begins" principle. On top of that, gratuitous defederation makes the Fediverse more fragmented - and that's exactly what Meta wants.

   • Sally Strange (sallystrange@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:04:17 UTC Sally Strange

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     @blacklight no need to demonize the folks who want two layers of blocking between them and Libs of Tik Tok

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:21:53 UTC Santiago

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     • Sally Strange

     @SallyStrange @blacklight i won't take responsability for the word taliban because i didn't use it. What i'm saying is that, what about bipoc/queer people in instances that don't defedrate threads? i could say even bipoc/queer peoplemin threads also? why i have to pay the price if i have no single contact/follow from threads?

   • Sally Strange (sallystrange@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:21:54 UTC Sally Strange

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     • Santiago

     @santiago @blacklight OK. You can think it's silly or pointless. You can say it's ineffective or needlessly complicated.

     I'm drawing a bright line at comparing traumatized queer people and BIPOC to the taliban.

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:35:29 UTC Santiago

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     • Sally Strange

     @SallyStrange @blacklight i think it's a huge price that you are making pay your users. You gain no extra nothing, by blocking instances that don't defederate threads. The line is there, if you defedrate them, that' it. They shall not pass, not a ningle bit of information is coming in or out, even on retoots by other instances, nothing. Any extra blocking is only hurting the network of servers and only reflects poor knowledge of how federation occurs. It's more like a political statement like if you are not with me, you are with them thing, that cannot be applied to a communication protocol, in my opinion.

   • Sally Strange (sallystrange@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:35:31 UTC Sally Strange

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     • Santiago

     @santiago @blacklight The "price": missing some contacts, or moving instances

   • Fabio Manganiello (blacklight@social.platypush.tech)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:42:05 UTC Fabio Manganiello

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     • Santiago
     • Sally Strange

     @SallyStrange @santiago fair enough, I could have chosen a less controversial word. But the context remains the same - what I'm denouncing is ideological purity with no functional purposes.

     To summarize:

     1. If instance A defederates Threads, then no content from A will be relayed to Threads, and the other way around. Regardless of what instance B does. This is just how the protocol works. The "additional layers of security" argument just doesn't stand.

     2. If Meta wants to scrape the Fediverse, they already have plenty of resources for doing it, even without going full in with an ActivityPub-compatible platform. And, if an instance is public, there's basically no way of stopping them - I don't think that a company that didn't care of harming teenagers or encouraging a genocide in Myanmar cares about our nobot tags or robots.txt rules.

     So, from a functional perspective, defederating those who don't defederate Threads *is* a mere act of ideological punishment with no added value.

     I understand that many are on the Fediverse because they were traumatized/bullied on other platforms, and they want this to remain a safe place. But friendly fire and fragmentation definitely won't help anybody other than companies like Meta. We already have technological solutions to ensure that our own instances are impermeable to the content of platforms/instances we don't like. We shouldn't be overzealous and add a layer of ideological retaliation on top of that.

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 11:42:05 UTC Santiago

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     • Sally Strange

     @blacklight @SallyStrange Yes! item 1 explains it all. I totally support instances blocking threads! but instances blocking other instances? that is poor admin practices that hurt the fediverse, in my opinion. Maybe, i'll say even that those supporting that practices, are aligning with those who wants to see the fediverse fail.

   • Santiago (santiago@mastodon.uy)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 14:18:47 UTC Santiago

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     • Sally Strange
     • Inken Paper 🇵🇸

     @crashglasshouses @blacklight @SallyStrange who is caring for the fascist's feelings here? i missed something

   • Inken Paper 🇵🇸 (crashglasshouses@tsukihi.me)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 14:18:55 UTC Inken Paper 🇵🇸

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     • Santiago
     • Sally Strange

     @blacklight @SallyStrange @santiago

     "ideological punishment"

     that's a helluva nonsense term, given what we're dealing with. it's literally "we shouldn't hurt the fascists too hard, what about their feelings??"

     fuck off with that noise.