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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:25:26 UTC Danyl Strype
   Can't help but think all this 'app addiction' discourse ignores the role capitalism plays in shaping tech http://humanetech.com/problem
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   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:26:52 UTC Danyl Strype

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     I mean, nobody seems to be asking why tech started hijacking attention instead of serving users' real needs in he first place (clue: profit)
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   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:28:29 UTC Danyl Strype

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     Could it be because selling users' attention to advertisers is (so far) the only way for venture capitalist to profit from network tech?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 09:31:29 UTC Danyl Strype

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     What if network platforms were developed by not-for-profts (eg Wikipedia, Mozilla) or coops owned by users/ workers (#OpenCooperativism)?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:07:17 UTC Danyl Strype

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     Experience from before and since VCs discovered the net/ web in the late 90s, suggests profit motivate creates very different design choices
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:11:31 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Kevin Marks
     indeed @kevinmarks I remember when we all switched to Google because a) no ad-based rankings and b) minimal homepage. Ironic, no?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:33:42 UTC Danyl Strype

     • hamish campbell
     yes, but step away to what @hamishcampbell? Do Harris and co think the #dotcon can simply be reskinned with "humane design". Another con?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:36:24 UTC Danyl Strype
     @bob I remember fearing a time when ordinary folk could no more imagine setting up a webserver than they could a TV transmitter *sigh*
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:37:29 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @bob one strategy for reversing this is allowing mobile device to be used as servers, a la the #Hubzilla grid/ #NomadicIdentity approach
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:38:16 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @bob do you think it's viable to build a mobile app that fulfills all the major functions of a #Hubzilla server?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 10:43:05 UTC Danyl Strype
     @bob do #ZeroNet and #Scuttlebutt have the same tolerance for intermittent net connection and nomadic identity?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 11:17:49 UTC Danyl Strype

     • hamish campbell
     @hamishcampbell I agree, but how do we explain the #4opens to people outside the openism world, so history doesn't keep repeating (eg Ello)?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:27:31 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah each of the not-for-profit structures has its own peculiar story, sure, but picking apart my examples misses the broader picture
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:31:25 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah there were gratis platforms (and software and so on) before VC-funded startups became parasites on the value their users create
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:31:25 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah there were gratis platforms (and software and so on) before VC-funded startups became parasites on the value their users create
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:33:05 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah gratis vs. pay-per-view is a false dichotomy, and like the screen addiction discourse, obscure the fact the VCs aren't needed
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:35:11 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah but it's more than that. Why do people still use #Windows when #GNU-Linux is better and gratis? Deeper structures are at play here
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:37:22 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah talk about business models is valid, but it also misses the point that businesses (in the traditional sense) were never required
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:40:35 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah they have succeeded at an economic Man-in-the-Middle attack on the net as a whole by making sure most people don't know that
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:43:16 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah true, but you're speaking from the perspective of what happened (the Man-in-the-Middle), I'm asking *why* it was able to succeed
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:44:59 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah because people (other than me) are stupid is a lazy, cynical answer to any question, and ignores the roles of power, culture etc
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:47:49 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah also, those who really understand the significance of what #Snowden revealed tend to be the same people already using alternatives
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:49:25 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah Snowden didn't tell us anything we haven't known for 20 years, he just gave us confirmation and specific implementation details
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:50:58 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah but there's a difference between knowing what Snowden revealed before vs. after you get enslaved by proprietary/ centralized tools
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:51:46 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah once you're in the golden cage, cognitive dissonance interferes with accepting the revelations and acting on them
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:54:38 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah clearly we disagree on cause and effect, so let's leave that for now, and move on to your question; "what to do next?"
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:56:58 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah although, if we accept the premise that people are lazy and can't be made to care, nothing can be done ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:58:47 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah whereas if we start with the premise that economic power is being abused to keep people in data farms, step 1 is empowering people
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 16:59:31 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah once they know there are other ways to organise the net, they might ask "why bother", but now they're ready to understand Snowden
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:01:27 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah because the Snowden relevations tell them something actionable, instead of "you're all stupid, ergo, boot on a human face forever"
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:04:08 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah yes, I've got some ideas too. Happy to discuss tech implementations. But we need to deal with political-economic hacking too
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:05:52 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah heaps of groups have/ are trying to do a free code mobile (Replicant, FirefoxOS, Ubuntu Phone, BlackPhone, Ind.ie), why not joy?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:07:05 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah the reasons are not lack of demand (I want one, clearly so do you), we need to understand what they are. Hardware maker politics?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:09:06 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah sure, but why won't hardware makers pre-install free code, or charge more for companie that do?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:12:02 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah any idea why Ind.ie retreated on the mobile device vision? They seem to really understand the #UX issues that need to be addressed
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:16:25 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah right, so MS has the power to say "if you want to sell pre-installed Windows, you must sell no other OS".
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:18:45 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah Google can't do that with Android, because it's free code, but they can with all the Google apps that make Android a complete tool
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:19:49 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah so if all the supply chains for mobile devices are slave to either Apple or Google licensing (or MS), #OpenHardware is key
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:21:02 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah it's definitely too large a project for a small startup. It needs a federation of projects covering all the necessary elements
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:22:06 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah it needs something akin to a mobile version of the #GNUProject (or a mobile branch of GNU?)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:27:41 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah another good summary of the #UX issues is found on livable.media but as they caution, part of the change required is ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:28:36 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah "... designers need to learn a vision of society, and of individuals, where these ideas make sense."
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 17:49:52 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah can you expand on that? Maybe with some practical examples (in tech or ideally some other design domain)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 18:13:35 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah I agree that storytelling about *positive* futures is key. I like the #solarpunk concept a lot.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 18:16:25 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah  tech often relies on successful visual metaphors (eg the "desktop") for mainstream adoption. What metaphors could work here?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 19-Feb-2018 18:25:38 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Jezza™
     @jeremiah useful offline, preach it brother. You checked out #Hubzilla and #Scuttlebutt? The #OSM apps that download maps to device?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 02:33:08 UTC Danyl Strype

     • hamish campbell
     @hamishcampbell I'm from Aotearoa (NZ), currently in the process of moving cities, so not up to much ATM
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 02:36:05 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • hamish campbell
     @hamishcampbell but I've been involved in various ways in web projects like CoActivate.org, Permaculture.org.nz, MetaMaps.cc, and others
   • hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 11:12:24 UTC hamish campbell

     @strypey me, am in a lifeboat sailing away (this is not a metaphor) https://boatingacrosseurope.blogspot.com/ and https://www.instagram.com/boating.across.europe/

     Come back 4-5 months a year to do social change projects. And the rest of the time stay involved vier wifi while anchored outside villages ;)

     Hooked up to solar and wind power.

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   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 14:22:49 UTC Danyl Strype

     • hamish campbell
     @hamishcampbell I'm intrigued, let's talk more. More info about my background:
     https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/strype 
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 14:25:38 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • hamish campbell
     @hamishcampbell oops! Sorry, that link was meant to be:
     https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/danyl-strype
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 14:26:30 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • hamish campbell
     @hamishcampbell wow, jealous! I'm really keen to learn to sail. Great that you can keep connected using renewables
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 15:01:25 UTC Danyl Strype

     • hamish campbell
     @hamishcampbell you were with #Undercurrents! Did you have much to do with the #Indymedia network? I believe Undercurrents were co-founders?