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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 03:34:25 UTC Danyl Strype

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   @siedge @joesmo cars don't kill people, drivers kill people ;P
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 03:35:52 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @joesmo @siedge maybe the difference is that cars have legitimate uses other than killing? Guns... not so much.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 03:44:17 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @siedge @joesmo Your point is fair, but you do mean by self defence by ... killing someone with a gun (or threatening to), yes?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:05:55 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge claiming that water pistols are guns, therefore guns aren't for killing, is a classic argument from edge cases.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:06:38 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge these are still gun deaths and this only reinforces the point I made that killing is what guns are for
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:07:36 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge there are legitimate arguments against state monopoly on lethal force, but claiming guns are like cars is not one
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:08:51 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge you're redefining "gun" from the common understanding (tool that shoots bullets) to suit your argument; edge cases
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:10:32 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge "defence" is the justification for nukes. Nobody really has nukes for defence, but as an implied threat of murder
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:11:56 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge this is what I mean by "edge case". For the vast majority of guns, the usual use is shooting bullets
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:12:58 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @joesmo @jeremiah @siedge legally speaking, you're correct, and I'm not making a1>1 correlation between nukes and guns.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:13:48 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge  Just pointing out that "defence" is an ideological construct. Bush claimed invading Afghanistan was "defence"
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:16:38 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge technically yes, but lead shot has the same effect as bullets. Again, edge case logic
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:22:52 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge we seem to have got lost in definitional hair-splitting
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:23:49 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge my original point was that ignoring the use case differences between guns and cars only weakens your argument
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:24:57 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge I don't live in the US, and I'm on the fence about state gun control, so I don't really have skin in the game here
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:28:14 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge fair point but I think the parallel cuts both ways. All state heavily regulate who can own or use cars etc
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:29:23 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @siedge @jeremiah @joesmo also, civilians are allowed cars, but not tanks. There's a parallel with guns there too
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:31:31 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge again, this cuts both ways. Patent trolls have constitutional rights. We still want them limited for public good
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:32:03 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge again, this cuts both ways. Patent trolls have constitutional rights. We still want them limited for public good
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:34:40 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge I'm no constitutional scholar but I believe the 2nd amendment has some important qualifiers (well-ordered militia)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:36:06 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge that's definitely important to acknowledge. Same with cars (mode of transport vs. car porn culture)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:43:26 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge that video reminds me of an old movie ... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088224/
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:44:25 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge my friend has an old De Lorean. I loved BTTF as a kid and I'm super jealous. Put an electric motor in and ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:50:28 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge electric De Lorean, just needs Mr Fusion ;)
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA6Lz-s9SE8
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 04:57:20 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge it blows my mind that 1980s pulp sci-fi (Knight Rider) has now become a reality
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 05:14:47 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge classic over-engineering. As with other crap #UX hopefully they'll get over the neophilia and work this stuff out
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 05:22:18 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge may be another care where #openhardware is needed? You checked out WikiSpeed.org?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 05:26:32 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge yes! Seems we hang out around some similar water coolers ;)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 05:29:14 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge another free code electric car project in my home country is #GreenStage 
     http://www.greenstage.co.nz/
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Feb-2018 05:41:13 UTC Danyl Strype

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     @jeremiah @joesmo @siedge OMG I'd never heard of the #Schweeb! Amazing what can be hiding in your own backyard