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@jim every OS use case is different, yet thousands of #GNU-Linux distros use the same underlying components and ensure security together ...
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff most alt-coins are #PonziCoin (see: ponzico.win), but there are some legitimate blockchain experiments
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff the Dyne.org #FreeCoin wallet is a good example
https://github.com/Commonfare-net/macao-social-wallet
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff also see #FairCoin #SolarCoin #FreiCoin and #NameCoin, to name a few alt-coins with social missions
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff one of the key questions when net services and human organization are combined is "who owns the server?"
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff the advantage of a distributed database is that everyone running the software owns the server.
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff take #NameCoin. #DNS is centralized, so whoever owns the root servers (currently #ICANN) calls the shots
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff in #NameCoin, a blockchain replaces the root servers, so no authority can confiscate #NameCoin domains
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff then there's ascribe.io, which allows creators to register their work and its #CC license on a blockchain
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff ... instead of trying to get all creators to agree on a single entity to host a copyright database
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@hamishcampbell @jim @doryandgeoff then there's voting systems
https://hackernoon.com/blockchain-for-voting-and-elections-9888f3c8bf72
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@jim @hamishcampbell @doryandgeoff secrecy of voting is not a problem specific to online voting. Postal voting has the exact same issue
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@jim @hamishcampbell @doryandgeoff if you want to hack election results, social engineering (eg via FB) is simpler
https://xkcd.com/538/
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@jim you've raised a number of distinct issues here, and I only have 130 char per posts, so I'll deal with one issue per post (bear with me)
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@jim postal voting may be abused (citation please) but it doesn't stop it being widely used, including in local government elections
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@jim the need for verification is a key reason why any software used in elections must be free code, so parties can hire tech scrutineers
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@jim key question: why do we elect representatives instead of voting ourselves? Because running in-person or postal referenda is costly ...
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@jim ... if secure, online voting did work, we could have many elections for different purposes, none of which are worth the effort to crack
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@jim influencing who gets to be #POTUS is worth a tremendous amount of money, time etc for a wide range of state and private actors ...
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@jim but if there are are many single policy referenda each year, in each town, city, country etc none are as attractive as a target
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@jim kind of, but not #TheRussianTM, not people who have the resources to crack a free code system developed by experts from many parties
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@jim properly designed online voting would be more secure than proprietary voting machines, and could be built to create paper trails
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@jim so the only workable answer is paper and pen in voting booths?
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@jim Not as hard to game as many people seem to think
https://www.loomio.org/d/VkHGaD4X/electronic-and-online-voting/12
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@jim @bobjonkman I don't think state-level elections are the place to stress test any experimental voting system, electronic or otherwise.
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@bobjonkman @jim in my country, I would put forward non-binding referenda as a better place for testing. Offer a $ prize for proof-of-fraud
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@jim @bobjonkman I think we can agree that this is a disturbingly flawed approach.
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@bobjonkman @jim But sadly it seems to have provoked a knee-jerk opposition to e-voting systems *in general*, which is not justified
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@jim @bobjonkman proof of *successful* attack, allowing fraud to occur, true. $ bounties need *very* clear conditions of success
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@jim @bobjonkman having one package of free code software used by most countries that run election, addresses frequency, security and cost
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@jim but OK, I take your point, I don't wish to annoy or bore you. Let's turn to a particular implementation used in a real election
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@jim https://medium.com/open-source-politics/democracy-earth-the-promise-of-a-safe-independant-online-voting-system-37366935db5e
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@jim for the record, I agree that #DeepDemocracy needs to be developed in parallel with existing governance, not by trying to hijack it
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