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1. (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Jun-2018 19:46:13 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
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   #self-hosting Federated #git repositories ?
   
   https://quitter.es/url/1760773
   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jun-2018 11:41:20 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428 umh.. alternative point of view . Agree , , #gitlab is quite
     
     If re-starting ... we'll probably go choosing a  lighter ( Gogs , ... ) solutions .
     
     On other hand  SaaS services feel to me like a #trap ... unless you are able (at wish and effort ) #self-host yourself. In a 'free as in freedom' software basis ?
   • Kristian (z428@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jun-2018 11:52:15 UTC Kristian

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     @jordila I think SaaS *currently* is sort of a trap, as it is mostly done by commercial organizations yet free-of-charge, so there just logically is a question how these companies refund their operations. I still don't believe self-hosting is a good answer. It's just not sustainable. It's about "wasting" a load of (personal, technical) ressources on doing fairly low-level stuff like maintaining servers and databases and all the required infrastructure - in an age where even these things get ...

   • Kristian (z428@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jun-2018 11:57:19 UTC Kristian

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     @jordila ... increasingly more complex (talking docker / containers and all this orchestration stuff). In worst case, people will go "self-hosting" on Amazon or some provider like that. That's why I think we need a "libre approach to SaaS" and providers who manage to offer that kind of hosting.

   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jun-2018 14:02:36 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428 Agree ... #libreSaaS ? we were talking on that yesterday ... with a colleague ( it was not #RMS , BTW ,  :-) )... can you extend on the «That's why I think we need a "libre approach to SaaS" and providers who manage to offer that kind of hosting. »
   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Monday, 11-Jun-2018 15:12:12 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)

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     @z428 ... inspiring . As long as we are here ... struggling with the same #dilemma ?
   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 07:45:03 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428 ... well, before reading your thoughts on #libreSaaS .... just to share that i woke up with those words in my head. (i'll come back later on, after reading yours ...)
     
     #libreSaaS should be offered on a #freesoftware ( as in freedom ) basis , adapted to #IaC ( Infraestructure as Code ... being manage on a kind of #libreDevOps ? ) vision. Tools like Puppet, Ansible ... etc are already allowing this .
   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 07:48:58 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428  ... as we were saying,  #libreSaaS = #IaC + #freesoftware ?
     
     ( cc @how  ? i might be interested on your opinion on that, as usual ...)
     
     
     What I mean, somenthing someone (naturally) already wrote https://quitter.es/attachment/1624502
     
     Infrastructure as code - #IaC  #Manifesto
     
     We want to treat system administration like a (free) software
     development project:
     
     We want to enable people to participate without needing a #sysadmin account  servers.
     We want to review the changes that are applied to our systems.
     We want to be able to easily reproduce our systems via automatic deployment.
     We want to share knowledge with other people.
     
     This is why we try to publish as much as possible of our systems configuration, and to manage
     our whole infrastructure with configuration management tools. That is, without needing to log into hosts.
     
     Does it rings a bell with #libreSaaS ?
   • Kristian (z428@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 10:10:40 UTC Kristian

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     @jordila @how Agree, there's a bunch of important things in that, and I really would love to see this working out. What's important to me, however: We don't need "just" the software /code infrastructure. We would need a (sort-of) "libre" provider offering actual (hardware, storage, ...) resources to run these systems. We won't get anywhere with all this infrastructure depending upon Amazon AWS. ;) The rest is pretty much close to what I think...

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   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 10:30:04 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428   on ^^ ... article
     «[..] We want an approach where administration of such systems, just like everything else, is done by experts who know what they’re doing, not by “part-time administrators” who are operating server infrastructure of their own just because they need it for a certain purpose[..] »
     
     ... for me, i feel like we need to drop some of our ego 's here ... I'm gonna radically say that, purpose is... let's  #KillTheSysAdmin ? ... or in other words ... let's make #devOps and #sysAdmin ... friendly and easy to use . Nothing new ...
     
     
     
     #libreSaaS | #IaC ?
   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 10:32:00 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428  (  ^^ article on #libreSaaS https://log.z428.eu/posts/libresaas/ )
     ... Nothing new... BTW, le'ts just share our Power ... there, with users . Let's remove barriers... One day you are a client. Next, you're a server . ... à la #P2P ? Maybe treating infraestructure as code ( #IaC ? ) might help on the task .
     Otherwise, we are, without noticing it ... concentrating Power (under the umbrella of ' i'm the one here who knows how to... ) re-centralizing ?
     
     And of course, let's find way to make it economically sustainable ... .
     I think someone is already trying figure it out ... , e.g. | maybe à la
     
     https://cloudron.io/
     https://maadix.net/en
     
     ?
     cc @apardo ?
   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jun-2018 10:38:55 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428 «[..] Yes it takes money. No, “Libre SaaS” shouldn’t be about free-of-charge hosting. It should be about valuable, sustainable, fair hosting, also from a financial point of view.[..] » ... agree, that's basically the #fairTrade ... approach ?
     
     You might feel that money is energy, ... where are you putting you're energy ? Who is behind of the service ? In which labor conditions ?
     
     #Amazon ... and the rest of  #GAFAm  have some answers on that .. , i'm afraid of ...
   • (-(-_(-_-)_-)-) (jordila@quitter.es)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 09:30:57 UTC (-(-_(-_-)_-)-)
     @z428  #fairSaaS sounds good, yeah ... sure ,  libre | #freesoftware communities allow the "think (develop) global ..., act locally ... " and strengthens a cooperativist way of economy ? I might be dreaming ...
     We need to show the world about this #ethical ' value chain' ... or whatever you want to call it, kind of 'virtous circle'...
     
     Otherwise , Micro$soft et al.  ... will do ... ( are already doing ? )