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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:24:20 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:

   @njoseph To be fair hacker was first used in a negative sense (as in, to break into a system). Some people adopted it in a positive way, and thats great, but I see no need to change the word. Worrying about euphemisms is such a waste of time IMO.

   • 御園はくい (hakui@freezepeach.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:28:37 UTC 御園はくい

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     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:
     @freemo @njoseph it's the other way around, actually https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Hacker
   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:31:35 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:

     @hakui
     Interesting. I can say this (as someone who grew up in the 80's). Despite what a dozen or so people originally called themselves the first time the **public** was introduced to the word hacker it was used to mean "to break into computers". So in terms of the **public** use of the word it was, in fact, negative from the get go. I'm not sure what a few dozen people used it as first should be the dictated usage for the public.
     @njoseph

   • 御園はくい (hakui@freezepeach.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:36:14 UTC 御園はくい

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     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:
     @freemo @njoseph growing up in the 90s i was already aware of the distinction, even if i don't always use the correct definition
     
     what the public goes by has so far turned out to be of minimal importance (are fats good or bad for your diet?
   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:50:47 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • 御園はくい
     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:

     @hakui
     i am not sugesting you need to use the same language as the public. I am only saying it is silly and pointless to try to convince the public to use the same language as you.

     @njoseph

   • 御園はくい (hakui@freezepeach.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:53:22 UTC 御園はくい

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     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:
     @freemo @njoseph i'm not saying you have to use the definition that's different from the public, i can't make you do anything after all
     
     i was just clarifying your "first used as" statement; just going "no that's not how it went"
   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:53:33 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • 御園はくい
     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:

     @hakui
     I should point out when I use "hacker" i sometimes mean whitehat or black hat. I use the "hat" part to make the distinction (as most of the programming public does). I myself am a hacker.
     @njoseph

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   • 御園はくい (hakui@freezepeach.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:54:34 UTC 御園はくい

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     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:
     @freemo @njoseph no issues with that~
   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 05-Jan-2019 15:55:16 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • 御園はくい
     • Joseph Nuthalapati :fbx:

     @hakui
     I appreciated the new information. No worries there.

     @njoseph

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