I'm not giving up, I'm saying that debating things intellectually doesn't work with most extremists, especially in the age of fake news.
They will usually find some fake news site to back up their claims, and will eventually say that everyone is just doing stuff on faith anyway, so why can't I respect their faith?
Again, I *really* don't want to be correct about this, it scares me shitless, but it is my experience of life online now.