While he was certainly being rude and antagonistic, and im sorry for that, he was right in one regard: What you said made absolutely no sense. None of what you said, including your lead in statement, reflects how the real world works.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 14:34:43 UTC 
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 14:46:45 UTC
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I have no doubt that you beleive, erroneously, that what you stated was fact. However it was not.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 14:48:49 UTC
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Shall we what?
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 14:52:41 UTC
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I'm not sure if that would be fruitful. Based on your past statements you dont seem to have the intention to learn the truth, only to try to construct a weak and erroneous narrative that fits your preconceptions.
So any attempt on my part to help to educate you as to the actual science and reality is likely to be just a waste of my time and yours.
However if you are sincere in your desire to want to learn about how the world really works I would be more than happy to try to teach you and guide you on that task.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 15:18:02 UTC
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Sure, gravity is a very advanced subject but I'd be more than happy to teach you about how it works.
Most of the phrases you asked about dont make much sense so youll have to explain specifically what you mean, some do.
For example, can you give an experiment which demonstrates what you mean by "phase specific" are you referring to gravity waves (those are rare and not what we usually deal with when we talk about gravity which is a constant force)?
But to address that we will have to get into a lot of basics first. What level of math are you able to go up to, that will give me an idea of how much of the basic stuff we have to cover first.
Do you know linear algebra, Tensor math, maxwell equations, and Calculus for example or do we need to start there?
We can get into some thought experiments to demonstrate relativity rather early on int he conversation but the math itself is a bit more advanced.
Keep in mind to fully answer most of those questions we arent talking about a brief online conversation. It will require a **lot** of study on your part and based on your current level of expertise is likely to be years of study before you can understand the ideas fully.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 15:20:38 UTC
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Also gravity does not make things orbit around them. That is in fact a counter force, seperate from gravity which causes it to cancel out. There are some simple demostrations we can do to help show how some of this works.
I certainly dont mind keeping it simple and demonstrating it at a grade school level or high school level if you either are not willing or capable of studying the topic in full.
Are you familiariniertial and noninertial frames of reference and how to calculate for them? Is that what you want to learn, or do you just want the simple incomplete explanations?
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 15:29:35 UTC
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Based on your questions it sounds like if you really want a good understanding we are going to have to start with rudementary physics and work our way up.
Perhaps we should start with why orbits work, for that I will need to direct you to some sources to teach you about rotations, angular momentum, vector math, all the basics, then we get into how to use that new understanding (which i will be happy to help you learn) so youc an apply it to calculating orbits and how they work WRT gravity.
Seems the best place to start for you, dont you think?
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 15:45:14 UTC
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Ohh you mean **moon** phases, yes I'm well aware of how and why the moon phases effect tide.
That one is very easy to explain thankfully and we dont need to get into all that advanced stuff to do it.
It is simple really. The pull of the sun and the moon both effect tides. In both cases it will cause a very strong tide ont he side closest to the moon/sun, a weaker high tide on the far side, and low tides on either side.
I attached an illustration so you can see.
This effect occurs simultaneously between the moon and the sun, with the moon having a stronger influence than the sun.
Therefore the effects are either add together or cancel. You can imagine that when the moon and the sun are in a straight line the effect adds up as the gravity of each are in line with each other. However if the moon is at a 90 degree angle then they will cancel out and give weaker tides.
Since the moon always lines up at full or new moon, and is always at 90 degree angles at a waning or waxing half moon, it is clear to see why the phase of the moon would directly effect the magnitude of the tides.
Hope that clears up your misconceptions for you.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 15:46:24 UTC
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Here is another image for you that explains what I just said, showing how these tides overlap at various phases.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 16:13:32 UTC
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You can't simply start with advanced concepts if you dont understand the basics that would be used to describe it.
That would be like trying to teach someone to multiply without teaching them how to add first.
But if you want a simle answer that should hold you over until your have a more advanced understanding: It is a field which is emitted by all mass which is perportional to its mass and attracts anything that likewise has mass.
As a field it has similar properties to other fields like magnets or electrical fields. That is, it diminishes inversly and exponentially with distance.
Unlike magnets however that are di-pole fields (as is electrical fields) the gravity field is monpolar. Meaning it is always attractive and never repulsive.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 16:19:29 UTC
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So I guess you werent able to understand the physics and explanation behind what actually causes the tides?
What part didnt you understand, would you like me to explain, or was my original assumption correct that you have no desire to learn how things work?
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 16:58:39 UTC
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Perhaps but the way I see it there are two options
1) he just was never educated. Since many would feel insecure about this it is natural to be in denial and convince yourself you are actually the only one who truly knows how things work. This is sad, but you wont combat it by attacking them or ridiculing them. It is better to let them know you will be supportive and help teach them if they want.
2) they will refuse to learn even when given the opperunity. This is often the case and in which case it is a waste of everyones time to try. With that said it still isnt productive to attack the person. Best to just let them know they are wrong, but otherwise not attack them and offer up #1 should they decide to learn in the future.
Regardless except in a few situations I dont see it as helpful to be antagonistic over it. Help if they will let you, or just walk away.. only way to result in any good as far as i can see it.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 17:07:14 UTC
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Is that really how you think that conversation just went?
Look I can understand you being self contious of never having a basic level of education to understand these things. Honestly I do. I am sure if you put some time into learning you can understand this, I have no wish to shame you.
But you must realize what your saying right now is obvious to anyone reading it that you dont understand the topics you are talking about, thats ok, but it isnt healthy for you or anyone else to pretend you understand something you clearly dont.
I'd rather be a friend to you and help you, if at all possible, than to ridicule you for not understanding something. But part of that requires you to understand your own shortcomings and be willing to grow past them.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 17:13:46 UTC
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No I mean education. Nothing I explain to you should be taken simply at face value. Using logic, understanding, and critical thinking, to question even well accepted facts is both welcome and encouraged.
As you do, and as you get the answer to those questions, then eventually you will learn what the reality is, in ways you can test and prove yourself and reproduce. As you do you will come to actually understand the world and how it works.
That is, in every way, the exact opposite of indoctrination. In fact, since you do not back up your own ideas in the same manner it is, in fact, you who have become indoctrinated to an ideology, it just so happens its an ideology of your own choosing and your own making, but just has harmful, and invalid as any other that cant be tested and proven.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 18:10:05 UTC
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Yes you did, its above. I explained what it is above in the thread, at least to the extent your current level of education is capable of understanding.
As I offered when i explained what it was, if youd like to go into greater detail so you can understand it even better we will have to dive into some pretty advanced topics that will take you years of study to even be able to understand the words I use or the equations I would explain to you.
Thankfully i was able to explain it in simple terms for you so you can understand it for now at your current educational level, do you have any questions about that explanation I can help you with?
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 18:33:04 UTC
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I did, and I will answer again.
Gravity is a field.
Mass is not gravity no, though it is related to gravity.
Everything you just said, the parts of it that are gramatically/linguistically correct anyway could be pretty trivially disproven. We could easily show that mass is **not** made up of the same thing as the electromagnetic field. There are countless experiments that have been done to prove this, and never a single one that could support what you just said. However if you think you have such an experiment that could prove mass is "electromagnetic content" feel free.
As for "electromagnetic lines fo force" such lines dont actually exist, that is just something we scientists say to describe the path electrons take. No actual lines exist. Theya re similar in nature to the lines you'd see on a topological map.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 18:37:12 UTC
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Yea I know its very hard for you to understand. Don't be discouraged by that, even though they are very elementary concepts I;m sure you can understand them if you try.
Just keep in mind you have had a life time of educational neglect, that isnt your fault. So elementary concepts may seem very confusing and difficult for you. but you can get it.
This is why I said you really have to go back and start learning the basic concepts rather than trying to jumpe in on topics way beyond your level. Start with really basic maths and work your way up, you will get there.
Try instead of trying to repeat the things you made up to cope with not understanding, instead try harder to actually understand and study the physics itself, fromt he ground up. Try not to give into your urge that its too confusing for you to understand. If you keep with it you will get there!
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 18:42:17 UTC
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I am not in his "science" group, nor was he tagged in this conversation. It is a discussion between me and you.
I have treated you with respect and apparently your insecurities are getting the better of you because you seem to feel the need to now get childish and need to bring in other people.
Thats my cue then to exit the conversation as it is clear you have absolutely no desire to learn anything beyond your own nose.
If the day should come you wish to start learning about the world, physics, math, any of it, you are more than welcome to reach out to me and I will be happy to teach you.
Until that time, I will be disengaging from this conversation.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 18:50:12 UTC
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We, scientists, have many times over.
Just because you dont have the education to understand how or why we have disproven it doesnt change the fact that it was disproven all the same.
I'd be happy to try to teach you enough so you could understand the basics and eventually understand how we were able to disprove your assertion. But as I said it is clear you are not trying to learn anything.
Again, I am leaving this conversation for those aforementioned reasons.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 18:56:13 UTC
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When you tag someone and basically go, hey look at this clown, isnt the shit he is saying comical.. then no no you arent trying to "help me" please dont lie or misrepresent yourself. It is clear that it is you being frustrated with your lack of understanding and lashing out.
If you had truly wanted to "help" me you would have tagged him in the conversation in a more respectful manner something like "Hey, could you please explain your point of view to this person for me".
I've told you twice what , it is a field.
If you dont understand what that word means or why it explains what it is, then I dont mind explaining it further. But again you dont seem to be trying to understand anything here, not even making an attempt at it, failed or otherwise.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2019 19:23:06 UTC
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Apology accepted, it happens, consider it forgotten.
Your ideas are and have been refuted. It would be a lot to teach but I dont mind trying to work our way through the facts that ultimately show why mass is not the same thing as an EM field.
It is a lot to go over but i have no doubt youd be capable of understanding if your willing to put in the effort.
If thats something your interested in let me know and ill start you off with some basic maths and physics you can study and we can talk later and practice together, go over it, and build on it if youd like. Eventually we can start doing EM field equations with some study im sure of it.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 07:55:23 UTC
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 12:56:48 UTC
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No it doesnt use the ether, it specifically disproved the ether. It did however prove that space-time exists but it is a field, not a substance as the ether was suggested to be. This is the distinguishing difference between the two and why your statement is non-sensical.
Please, try to understand the subjects you post on first, or at least ask questions first rather than make up conclusions.
You can do what you want but please dont include me in psudo-science posts unless your purpose is to learn about the actual science. Otherwise I have no interest in the discussion if that is not the purpose.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 13:17:44 UTC
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No it isnt my way or no way. I'm not even sure how you got that from what I said.
The ether was proposed originally as an underlying substance, like a gas or a liquid, which waves (light) could pass through. The idea of it as a substance is critical to its definition and what differentiates it from spacetime which is not a substance but rather a field.
This can trivially be proven (that an ether doesnt exist) by showing that the speed of light is a constant in all frames of reference and thus does not move respective to an underlying medium.
As to your other points: yes the earth has a magnetic field.
Yes the earths magnetic field moves and changes over time (though very slowly usually).
Changing magnetic fields also cause electric fields yes, they are relativistic duals of eachother and are closely related.
None of that makes any sense on your final assertion then that "we have an electromagnetic ether". What about the statements you just made suggest that it proves the existance of an ether (an underlying substance) instead of a field. It sounds like you dont understand the meaning of the words your using at all.
No nothing about "moving magnetic declination" has anything to do with ether, this makes literally no sense at any level and is very easily disproven, as I stated we can see that by the constant nature of the speed of light regardless of the speed the observer is moving at. Thus showing the speed of these waves are not bound to an underlying substance/medium but rather must act as a field instead.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 13:24:13 UTC
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You seem to be completely ignorant of what the word ether was originally used to mean..
You seem to think ether means "there is some underlying fabric or medium through which waves move". But that is **not** what an ether was proposed to be. It was proposed not as any generic medium but explicitly as a "substance" like water or air. That is critical to its definition and why it is so easily debunked.
Spacetime is a medium through which light waves (and other types of waves) travel, no doubt. But it is not a **substance** like water or air would be, thus why it is debunked. It is a field, and as such has some similarities but is also fundamentally different in nature than an ether.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 13:49:29 UTC
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This is really why you need to study the basics first, you totally miss the point as to what is meant by "the speed of light is a constant" .. that phrase is shortened from its full phraseology which is "The speed of light is a constant **in a vaccum**".
You have to understand what that means and why it is significant.
If i shoot a laser through a vacuum and measure its speed while standing still then the speed I measure will be the speed of light, C. However if i am moving int he same direction that the light is going at a very fast speed and then I measure the light again you'd expect the speed of light to appear to slow down when i measure it, but in fact the speed is measured to be the same.
Think about why this is special. If i throw a ball 10 mph in one direction then to you standing still it is going 10 mph.. however if you are running next to that same ball and you are moving 5mph yourself then the ball will appear to move at only 5mph, this is normal since its relative to your own speed.
Light however does not behave this way. No matter which way you point the laser or which way you are moving or how fast in a vacuum the speed of light will always be exactly the same.
This is the very reason why we can disprove that the light moves through any substance (ether), because if it did then it would move relative to the speed of the substance it moves through, which is not the case in a vacuum.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 13:51:46 UTC
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It is a field, it isnt made of a substance. It is made up of fields. At very small scales it can be said to be made up of the quantum foam, a collection of "virtual particles" that would be rather complex to explain at your current education level.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 13:52:40 UTC
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Also i explained, several times, why it is debunked. It was debunked because the speed you measure of waves traveling through space time (light) is the same regardless of the frame of reference of the observer.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 13:58:50 UTC
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You dont seem familiar, what you just said in no way even addresses what I just said.
What about the statement you just made proves that the Ether is real and is a substance rather than made up of a field?
If you think you are familiar with this stuff (you are not) lets talk with math then. Can you please start by showing me how you think the permeability of free space would be derived mathematically, and please describe the steps you take to calculate this. For there we can discuss as you do it why it disproves the ether.
Also you being able to show you have enough knowledge to derive these equations will demonstrate you are knowledgeable in the topic as you suggest.
The truth is you dont know these basics you try to speak on, it is very obvious based on the things your saying. I am doing my best to try to get you to feel less insecure about your own lack of education and to start down the path of learning, but you seem to be unwilling to do the hard work that would take to get there...
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 14:10:54 UTC
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It is not impolite to point out that a person who is uneducated, is in fact, uneducated. It isnt a judgment against you or your character, it is simply an obvious fact based on what you are saying, missing very basic points.
We wont get anywhere trying to pretend your educated on things you are not. The whole point of me engaging you was to help you gain education which has been neglected.
However if you claim to be educated, and perhaps I am mistaken. I am willing to accept that possiblity. That is why i asked you to show me how you derrive the equation for permiability of free space while explaining the steps you would use.
I asked you this so you have a chance to show us you do, in fact, understand basic concepts and may in fact be educated.
The stage is yours, show us you are educated on the topic, show us your understanding of the math.
As for you debunking PhD theories.. im sorry to say you **thinking** you debunked them doesnt mean you actually did. As I pointed out int he past it seems you are highly uneducated but very insecure about it and try to act as though you are educated. It would stand to reason as a result you also believe you are capable of debunking PhD's when you are not.
Again this is nothing intended to be rude, but it is something you need to realize if you want to start learning and grow past your lack of education, being in denial about it isnt helping you
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 14:19:19 UTC
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Please no longer tag me (this is not a request).
If the day comes you wish to learn and become an educated individual who knows how these things really work, and you genuinely need or want my help, you are most welcome to reach out to me at that time.
For now though this only appears to be reinforcing your need to hide your lack of education or to convince yourself you understand things you do not. I will not be a party to that as it is harmful to both you and others to feed such behaviors.
If you have a change of heart and wish to learn reach out to me, or even if you just wish to talk as a friend (not about the psudo-science you share). But do not post me in this stuff otherwise, thank you.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 14:24:06 UTC
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Why do you keep saying i avoid things that I very explicitly explain, usually in paragraph form.
No I answered the question, you just dont have enough education to have a base understanding to make sense of it.
the sad part is when you cant understand something you assume someone avoided your questions rather than trying to understand the explanation.
This isnt the first time. I haved answered many of your questions, usually multiple times over, yet you still pretend I did not.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 14:35:01 UTC
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No thats not correct, that is not a derivation.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 14:53:18 UTC
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It seems clear to me that not only doou not know how to derive the equation, bur you dont even know what the word "derrive" means in this context.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 15:02:23 UTC
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I asked you to please stop tagging me if your intent is to convince me you are knolwedgable rather than an attempt to learn.
It is a waste of both are time. I will ask again do NOT tag me unless your intention is to begin studying and want some help or guidance.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 15:08:17 UTC
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Well would you like me to help teach you? I think we should start with math.
Can you do basic addition and multiplication and such, how about algebra? can we skip that or shall we start there?
Lets figure out where to start and id be happy to start teaching you.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 15:28:20 UTC
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Oh yes, I can see, I agree yea you clearly are very poor in math.
So notice how your equations dont include the refractive index of light anywhere? That should be your first clue that you were wrong.
In order to calculate horizon distance youd have to account for the refractive index of the air the light travels through.
Did you measure the refractive index that day? We should run through the actual math.
Im worried where you learned the equations you wrote down. Whoever taught you doesnt appear to know the first thing about how to calculate this stuff.
Im so glad you are willing to admit you dont understand this stuff and recognize it has major errors in it at least, thats a step in the right direction.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 15:54:23 UTC
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Sure thing, what is the refractive index of the atmosphere? Are you at sea level? Is the point you can see in the distance also at the same altitude as you?
The basic equation is d = R(δ + ψ) where ψ is the dip of the horizon, δ is the refractive index of the horizon and R is the radius of the earth.
now that you know how to incorperate the refractive index let me see you do the math again this time using the refractive index and horizon dip to calculate distance. Ask if you need help and dont know how.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:10:44 UTC
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The Quantum Foam consists of Virtual Partticles, not ordinary particles. As such it wouldnt be accurate to describe it as a substance, you cant interact with virtual particles directly. It is distinctly different from the idea of an either which describes an actual substance.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:16:23 UTC
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Did you make any progress solving that equation I sent to you yet now that it was explained to you?
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:23:20 UTC
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I already provided it earlier and you didnt respond. I attached it here again.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:24:32 UTC
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I am not speaking with you on this or any other topic until you've made some progress on solving that equation.
I know you can do it with a bit of practice and study you got this. We can discuss more advanced things once you've learned some basics as a foundation.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:25:50 UTC
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Where are what? Virtual particles? They arent real particles in the typical sense.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:37:41 UTC
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It can and i already shared with you the equation that proves it to be so. But since you havent learned the math yet you dont have the tools to see why.
Have you started working on the equation I gave you yet.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:39:42 UTC
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virtual particles arent pretend exactly, they just cant be interacted with directly.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:47:02 UTC
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No we dont have a stavvnlghlvdrfgnkljkflinfdrjceclblibfhigfnigggui
emate, I showed you a picture as well so you can "see" it with your eye. I'll post agaiin.Now please show me the math. If you really just dont know or arent willing to learn mat then so be it, in that case I again ask that you leave me a lone until such time you change your mind.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:49:12 UTC
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I am aware how they be have. Some do pop into existence, the vast majority do not.
That was never in question. What point are you trying to make from that however?
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:50:42 UTC
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He is a flat earther, he thinks the earth is flat. He doesnt understand even rudementary math or physics and mostly just makes up nonsense because he is very insecure (it seems) about his lack of education.
I've been trying to help him but he adamatly refuses to learn or work through any of the math so he can learn this stuff.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:51:16 UTC
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No we dont have a stalemate, I showed you a picture as well so you can "see" it with your eye. I'll post agaiin.
Now please show me the math. If you really just dont know or arent willing to learn mat then so be it, in that case I again ask that you leave me a lone until such time you change your mind.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:55:21 UTC
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Showing that there is not a perfect vacuum in space is not enough to show there is an either, that is not whatg an either means. You have to show that the waves of EM that travel through space are being carried and transfered through the momentum of those particles (As you would with a wave in water) which was the original intention of the ether.
This can easily disproved due to the fact that the speed and direction of light is uneffected by the direction in which your proposed ether is flowing, thereby showing it is not in fact an ether.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:57:39 UTC
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With modern tech it is trivial to prove special and general relativity as being, more or less, governed by the equations einstein put forth.
But if yant to get into that stuff we should start a new thread as adidas jack is still stuck on some of the basic math he seems unwilling or unable to learn. So he will just be confused by it all and likely not contribute to the conversation in a meaningful way.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 22:58:45 UTC
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There is still some stuff that needs explaining about light and other quantum stuff for sure. But generally the math einstein gave us does work and is tested. So its the best we got until someone comes up with better.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 23:30:34 UTC
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Did you attempt to solve the basic question I gave it?
If not please do not tag me again.
If you tag me again and it is not an attempt to learn the math int he equation I will block you, if it is an attempt to work through the math I will help you.
last warning.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 23:37:47 UTC
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You havent had a single valuable or even remotely correct assertion yet. In fact most things youve said could be easily disproven by a person in grade school.
Take for example when you suggested light was beant by magnets. Anyone holding a magnet up to a flash light could easily disprove this, its utter nonsense, like anything else you stated.
Its sad, and I feel bad for you that you have went to these elaborate lengths to deal with your inadequacies for being uneducated. Which is why i tried to help. But again at this point you are only wasting my time.
I have no interest to know what you are sharing unless and until you decide to seek to educate yourself.
So do not tag me until that time, if you do again as I said I will block you. If you are willing to learn and you tag me, then make sure it includes your attempt at working through the math I shared with you or questions about how you may need help with it. If you do not you will be blocked. Your call. Either way I am done feeding your ego, it isnt healthy for you.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 23:46:13 UTC
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I never said it wasnt effectes. I said magnets dont bend light. There is a difference.,
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 23:48:15 UTC
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I never said it wasnt effectes. I said magnets dont bend light. There is a difference.
The faraday effect changes the polarization of light, it does not bend the path of light.
Totally irrelevant to what was stated.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Nov-2019 23:49:31 UTC
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@adidasJack
I will now mute that s conversation. Tag me in any new ones will mean i block you as the next step.
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