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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 09:06:12 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   Should we make a rule that all non-english posts must include a hand written english Translation?

   The main reason would be moderation as moderators cant currently read or prevent advertisements in foreign languages.

   [ ] Yes
   [ ] No
   [ ] Don't care

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 09:11:41 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot

     @saxnot Indeed but in this case there is a functional need. We simply cant moderate effectively if everyone talks a different language. Most of that with regards to advertising

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 10:44:56 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot

     @saxnot Agreed, you cant. But if a user is found to be giving clearly dishonest translations that would therefore result in moderator action.

     So that can be easily addressed.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:13:07 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot
     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @jump_spider

     Do we really want to have a new moderator for every new language. Having as many moderators as there are people doesnt seem viable.

     As for relying on people to report, in theory that sounds reasonable, in practice that isnt what happens.

     easily 95% of the things i moderate are things I find after 12+ hours that no one ever reported, usually even very obvious offenders, nudity, advertisements, etc. People dont report it for a few reasons

     First the average user doesnt know enough about the rules to know when to report. Second they feel like a burden reporting it like they are complaining. Thirdly they assume that content is allowed if its around and not noticed on an instance that isnt very active.

     But most importantly most people wont join a timeline riddles with ads and spam and stick around and be proactive about reporting in the hope it cleans it up. By the time a user reports it it is too late.

     Think of it like email. Would you be ok with an email service that does absolutely nothing to pre-emptively prevent spam before you see it? If it relied entierly on your own blocking of servers **after** you identify spam in order to prevent it. Of course not, its the same here.

     The end result is usually not that people will report it, but rather people will simply leave the server and go to a place where the timeline isnt filled with spam in the first place.

     @saxnot

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:25:10 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot
     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @saxnot

     If we enacted such a rule then people who dont speak fluent english would not be allowed on the instance.

     If they dont speak english how did they read the rules and understand them or even know that we are a STEM instance for that matter. We are not a general purpose instance, we are not here to cater to everyone.

     @jump_spider

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:31:10 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot
     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @jump_spider

     And if they do not live up to what they say? What if someone wants to come here with the sole intention of spamming advertisements in a foreign langauge and simply claims to want to come here for stem so they can get access? How would we prevent that after the fact in a way that is quick and before it has a chance to pollute the timeline for everyone.

     You have to remember spam is a huge problem on the fediverse, just as much as any email server.

     @saxnot

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:34:41 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot
     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @saxnot

     Yes and no. If they found they had to fill it in, wait a day, then they got banned 5 minutes after their first post and had to repeat, then i agree, they would avoid it.

     But when their spam goes unnoticed for weeks or months on end (which seems to be the pattern with ads in foreign languages so far) then that small initial effort is well worth it for them.

     @jump_spider

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:40:28 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot
     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @jump_spider

     More importantly, how does it serve the interests of the community to host people who can not speak english, who can not understand the rules, and who can not be directed by the moderators when acting inappropriately.

     To me it seems like as it stands now anyone who doesnt speak english is effectively immune from the rules of the community all together.

     @saxnot

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:42:26 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot
     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @saxnot

     We remind ebvery new user to read it. But if they behave in a way that demonstrates that they did not then we will temporarily silence if needed and otherwise let them know how/why they violated it to ensure they dont continue to do so in the future.

     None of that is possible for a non-english speaker.

     @jump_spider

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:44:40 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • saxnot
     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @saxnot

     Sure, thanks

     @jump_spider

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 21:19:20 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Compass and Straight Edge Chad

     @compass_straight_edge I also interact with all new users who post on our local time line. They do all appear to be real people. But yes it is partly related to the new indian users.