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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 09:16:40 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   I entirely agree with this message on #gunrights. HK is a prime example of the need for such rights in civil defense against tyranny.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:08:05 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @jump_spider The only reason it hasnt escalated is because the chinese already won because people know they will get shot if they stand up.. Im not sure preventing escalation by ensuring the people are on the loosing side is actually a good thing.

     Yes people would die if they had guns, probably more of them than if they didnt. But at least it is a fight they could choose to have or not, and potentially win. As it stands right now they dont have the choice at all to put their life on the line for freedom, that isnt a good thing.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:15:21 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @jump_spider Would they? Thats not what happens in other countries where guns are legal. PRotesters are usually completely seperated from the battlefields with only a few rare exceptions.

     In the USa when people protest no one is shooting them down with machine guns just because some people int he country happen to own guns and use them.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:27:27 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @jump_spider In theory maybe, so why is it that almost never happens then?

     Presumably if guns were legal in HK then they would have a similar gun culture as america.

     In fact int he USa what few examples I can think of where protesters were slaughtered, en masse, were cases where the government had all the guns and the people had none, usually in gun-free zones..

     So if anything the evidence not only disagrees with you but it suggests the opposite.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 11:35:56 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @jump_spider Well considering most the mass slaughters in the USA were against unarmed protesters.. it would seem that arming people reduces overall harm more so than having only one side armed (which tends to result in mass killings)

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 21:10:19 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @namark

     Presumably by the time you decide an uprising is needed you've already long since bought your guns or inherited them from your parents.

     I dont think anyone wakes up one day and just decides to plan an uprising and goes out and buys their first gun.

     @jump_spider

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 21:14:09 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @namark

     Not so much that they wont shoot, only that they only will do so when they think the cause is worth risking their own lives.

     Seems when talking about protesters history is against your assertion. Most cases in america I can think of where people were slaughtered en masse, especially protestors it was when the police knew for a fact no one could be armed (gun free zones).

     As for armored bvehicals, thats why any reasonable law would state that any weapon or defense a police officer could buy is something a civial can also buy. So in such a case either armored vehicals are outlawed for both groups or they are availible to both groups.

     @jump_spider

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 21:52:51 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @namark

     If we could ban such guns and ensure the government honors such a ban, then yes. But it would have to be encoded in the constitution of a country and very hard to change for it to work.

     @jump_spider

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2019 21:58:25 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • It's Allgood, Serra

     @namark

     Keep in mind for me to approve of the idea of cops not being allowed guns no only would that have to be at a constitutional level but it would have to apply to **all** government and cvivilian agents within the borders of the country (with the exception of an invading force).

     Which means I would not approve of something like the UK has where every day cops dont have guns but other types of cops do have guns and can be called in when needed.

     It would have to be a complete ban on all guns within the borders of the nation. Not even the people protecting the president would be allowed guns in that case within their own borders unless an invasion is underway.

     @jump_spider