🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yes im sure...
The frame of reference is the observer not the thing he observers.
By your deformed logic everything is a single frame of reference so long as the observer can saee it, including the other observer.
Thats not how it works and its a reflection of just how grossly uneducated you are.
I will not continue to argue with someone willfully stupid.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I will leave with this..
Thlight is not "moving in my your frame" The proper way to word it is "I am observing the light from my own frame of reference".
Two people are moving at different speeds, both observing the same light moving at its own 3rd speed (this is the light clocks experment).
Using your deficient logic here, whose frame of reference is the light in, the first observer or the second?
The answer is, both, everything is in every frame of reference and any frame of reference can be defined by any point you wish.
In other words you dont even understand the basic idea of what a frame of reference is yet somehow you think you understand this....
Now go away until you are ready to learn something.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You can go away now, you are either a troll or an idiot with a big ego. I have time for neither
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Of course its possible for them to both measure the same object. With most things your right, they would get different speeds. However light is special and therefore they get the same speed.
**That is the whole fucking point**
That observed truth, however odd, is exactly why we had to come up with relativity, to explain it.
Holy shit how do you not even get what is meant by "The speed of light is a constant" after a week of this being explained to you.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Of course the clock can run at any speed you want by adjusting your frame of reference, thats the whole point, thats why it is called relativity.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Of course it would change the readings, thats the whole fucking point dumbass. Thus the term relative, the results are **relative** to your frame of reference.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You dont need to know how something is true in order to be able to prove it is true.
We have tested experimentally and proved it was true, the math all predicts what we observe. Therefore we know it is true.
I am happy to go into how speed of light is special (the answer deals with the permeability of free space combined with other complex ideas).
But I will not go on another tangent with you unless and until you admit that you've been a flaming fool and wrong about all the nonsense youve spouted up until this point,.
If you recognize the reality of relativity and a desire to learn I am happy to answer these questions and dig deeper, otherwise you are wasting my time.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
How do you expect to get me to the andromeda galaxy to test that? Since we both agree it would change the results (just as relativity dictates it would) then what are you even arguing.
Again go away your wasting my time at this point. You know your wrong but your so riddled by psychosis you are still fucking blathering on... end it
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
In order to prove that light is special in the way we described we would need to measure it from two different reference frames and show it is C in both reference frames, presuming each has a different velocity of course.
Yes this has been done experimentally, I linked you the experiment earlier that does this but you never read it.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yes the clock will oey the laws of relativity in that galazy as well, of course it would, thats the whole fucking point. Luckily we have experimental evidence that also confirms this.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I wrote an entire reply when you asked that, it wasnt ignore. I just said the how is not needed to prove that something IS...
I dont need to know HOW you became an idiot to know you are an idiot for example.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You are too far gone to make any sense of it I fear. your counter arguments have been feeding dogma, delusion, and your ego seems to overwhelm a sense of your own uneducated ideas somehow being superior to the experimental evidence.
Until you are willing to accept that you dont know the answer to the vast majority of this because you never studied or leqarned the math you wont get anywhere.
I am not saying you have to accept what people tell you. but I am suggesting that you have to take the fundemental truths we know from experiment and explain them, something you dont do. You dont even bother looking at how reality works (experiment) prior to drawing your conclusions.
I really hope this will click and you over come your ego. At one point earlier in the conversation you seemed to show a hint of potential at doing so, then you just started a dumpster fire and made a fool of yourself.
Still hoping you can recover and make some actual sense out of reality.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
If your willing to accept relativity is real and that the equations that govern it predict reality accurately, at that point I will be happy to discuss with you WHY light is special.
But until you do so i will not get sucked into another seperate conversation on how with someone who cant even see past his own ego.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Actually I started with my understanding of relativity much like you. I didnt think it was real and thought einstein was a fool.
Unlike you I devoted myself to learning the math so I could disprove it and doing the actual experiments so I could likewise disprove it.
When i did this I noticed he was in fact correct and all of his equations represent reality, and they all work out on paper as expected.
Since the truth was more important than my ego I admitted I was wrong, I choose to believe what reality was seen to do (rather than deny the truth right in front of my face) and accepted it as true.
Einsteins ego has nothing to do with it.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Good bye, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
No there are no famous reputable scienctist who reject relativity, not anymore, they used to. But the experiments thatprove it keep pouring in so there are very few left that reject it.
You can disagree all you want, but the fact remains reality proves it to be true. We **must** use relativistic equations to solve tons of seperate problems that cant be solved otherwise. We have proven beyond any doubt that the equations for relativity dictate the results they claim to.
So any issue you have with the hypothesis is on your lack of understanding, nothing more.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Nope there are **plenty** of scientists who have disregarded einstein, thought he was wrong, and to this day are not just considered reputable scientists but they are some of the greats we learn about in history.
What makes them disreputable is when they continue to disagree with an idea after there is experimental evidence to prove them wrong, if they dont adjust their theories as new evidence comes in.
All the great scientists who disagreed with einstein over the years ultimately did so by devising new experiments that would support their counter-claims and over time as those experiments failed and the ones proving einstein succeeded they all changed their views to accept einstein.
That is the difference.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Also tesla was not a scientist. He never published a single peer reviewed paper in any topic, not even his focus of electromagnetism. He mostly was a tinkerer, he would hack things together and through trial and error find things to work. He even developed a few important insights and inventions.
He was an inventor, and a reputable one, he wasnt a science, and he was a complete quak when he tried and as such failed to accomplish many of his goals.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I didnt "rubbish" him. He was an inventor, and as an inventor he certainly did some good, I said this already.
He was not, and never was, however a scientist. He accomplished great things through trial and error, as well as a limited understand of what he observed. he deserves praise for that.
But he was no scientist and it is clear from the fact that he never published a single peer-reviewed study in any field of any kind that he never was a scientist.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I'm done with you, you were leaving, go...
When you have a change in attitude and a genuine desire to learn reach out to me. Until then, work on an attitude readjustment.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I stopped reading after the first sentance... more nonsense.
If you arent here to learn then bother someone else, my time is better spent on others.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Understanding doesnt appear to be his goal. He is starting with the dogma and working from there. It is obvious in the weak arguments he makes and the need to ignore observational evidence.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
1) he never ran "rings" around einstein. In terms of what each of them accomplished... einstein gave us nuclear power, atomic bombs, GPS, and unlocked many mysteries of astronomy. Things others werent even close to doing.
Tesla mostly played with and designed some neat trinkets, and a few useful devices for working with AC. Very useful and gave rise to many other inventions and insights. But in and of itself, not particularly impressive from a scientific aspect. He really didnt add anything to scientific theory. He just built some things that exploited existing scientific theory, valuable, but not really particularly impressive among the greats of science.
2) Go away, im done with you, im not even reading more than the first stances of your messages anymore because they are so toxic and moronic, again not worth my time.
So stop wasting your own time typing them, no one is reading them past maybe the first sentence.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@zeccano Just because you have failed to be intelligent enough to understand 100 people doesnt mean the idea is flawed.
In fact when that many trained professionals try to explain something to you, and you admit you dont even know the basic math needed to understand it int he first place, it should be obvious to even the most inept of us, that it is the result of your own inability to understand, and not their inability to explain it.
Especially considering these are ideas we use to accomplish real world effects on a daily basis and have seen in countless experiments to be true.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
While there are certainly many other scientists involved, it was einsteins theory that was the foundation for all other theory that led to it. It is his mass energy equivalence equation, which he probed to be true and is a core component of relativity, that allows for nuclear reactions int he first place.
I've asked you to go away several times, I am at the point where I will mute you if you continue. I have very little patience for willful ignorance. I do not suffer fools lightly.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
It alters matter in your own reference frame observing something move through it. Those effects (like length constriction) would not be observed in the reference frame of the moving object (to it you are the on constricted).
It is very real from the observed reference frame.
how many times do I need to tell you to go away with this ignorant nonsense.
Go talk to the flat earthers that you usually talk to and have them agree with you.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
The difference is that what I describe is what is reality and observed to be true by myself and the whole of the physics community. Flat earthers, not so much.
I have no task other than to ignore you until I beleive investing time into talking to you might result in you learning something.
Once you are capable of learning feel free to reach out to me. Until then I will answer all your questions the same "You dont know what you are talking about, go away"
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Length contraction has been observed indirectly.
Mass increase has been observed directly
But of course you wouldnt know that because even with 100 other people trying to explain this to you (according to you) you never managed to learn even the basic facts;
This is why I refuse to talk to you. If you are to lost in your own dogma to understand these basic concepts, I wont waste my time on you.
You have serious mental health problems, that much is clear, part of which is projecting your mental health issues onto others. I feel sorry for you, I'm not mad at you, but I also cant help you which is why I ask again, util you are in a healthy mind set to learn something, please leave me alone.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I agree. I am on the verge of blocking him entierly. or just ignoring him.
Reason i dont is i do have some hope he can recover from his mental probems and might come back to want to learn. I'd imagine given the way he behaves there arent many teachers left who would talk to him. I want him to know that, should he get his act together, he can still reach out to me for answers and learning, just not in his current mental state.
I agree i am giving him **far** more credit than he probably deserves and at this point should just stop responding all together..
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@Oblivia @CCoinTradingIdeas @zeccano Could be. Though I'd imagine the type of people that follow me arent very likely to follow him. But that sounds reasonable.
Though the weird part is he started an account on QOTO a new account, specifically for this conversation. So not sure how that would benefit him on whatever his actual account is out there.
Maybe he wants to establish a following here on QOTO. Sad thing is, I reboost most qoto users who are respectful and have something interesting to talk about. So he could have gotten it through much more effective means.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
That is possible. I recently had to put a flat earther in his place and its entierly possible this is a sock pocket of that account.
I do agree that it just sounds like he is trying to lead me on though. Its hard to beleive anyone this clueless and cocksure could really exist. Maybe it is all just some troll.
Either way I'm at the point where im going to ignore him unless he wises up and gets his wits about him.
He literally has 2 followers, it is unlikely the science professionals here or on the fediverse will follow him. So he will just be talking to emptiness and probably go away. But ill keep an eye on him and if there is a need to suspend or silence his account it may come to that.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I appreciate the effort but I think its clear after 7 days he struggles to understand the basics no matter how it is explained to him. Remember he refuses to learn both math and experimental evidence by his own admission.
No amount of information is likely to help him.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I think it is his terminology for relativistic mass and length constriction.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Already told you, I'm not talking to you until you appear capable of understand. At the moment you are not mentally fit.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Given the answers arent difficult, I gave you answers for a week straight.
The issue is simply that you are incapable or unwilling to understand those answers even when they are clear and easy to follow for others.
You dont give up so now you are being ignored, and will continue to do so.
It all stems from your attitude of assuming you are right and that SR is bullshit and doing whateve rmental gymnastics, no matter how absurd or contrary to what we see. In the end your psychosis is so far gone that me and others refuse to go in an endless circle with you and be the victim of your own mental disorder.
If and when the time comes you go away and get some help and if you come back and want to learn, I will be here. Until then you will be ignored. You have more than enough information from this past week to understand the answer if you were able.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Watching videos isnt enough. You dont know even the basic math, you yourself have said so. You can watch videos until you are blue in the face, that isnt enough because you dont have the mental tools with which to understand it.
Now he asked you not to tag him, that is officially considered harassment. If you continue to tag him or others who have asked you not to then you will have your account suspended, this is the last warning i will give/
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I warned you if you continue to tag him after he told you not to your account will be suspended. I will now silence your account as a temporary measure. One more time and it will be an irreversible suspension.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I silenced his account, if you wish to see his posts youd need to follow him moving forward. No one else but me can see his posts now.
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@Curarpikt
He wasnt muted for arguing. He was mited for tagging people when repeatidly asked not to do so. We have one important rule and that is if someone asks you to leave them alone, you do so.
I agree he should join kiwifarms.cc instead of QOTO, i think his personality would be a great fit for that group.
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