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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 12:54:01 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • danie10

   @danie10 While qoto and many other instances are ad free I'm not sure calling it ad free is fair. MS for example, the flagship instance, is riddled with advertisements just as bad as what we see on twitter.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 16:56:14 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • danie10

     @danie10 Ok so its decentralized ads, not sure thats any better. In fact its worse at least with normal ads my ad blocker works.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 17:56:55 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • danie10

     @danie10 There are tons, MS does not prohibit advertisements in their stream. Not sure what gave you the impression MS had no advertisements...

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 18:56:52 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • danie10

     @danie10 I covered that in my original message, qoto has no ads, other instances prohibit it as well. But many instances do have adds including Mastodon.social (MS) in their local timeline. Worse yet even if your local instance doesnt have any that means the federated feed will have a few at a minimum.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 19:05:22 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • danie10

     @danie10 For that I will need to check. I know they their policy is not to ban commercial accounts. Or are you saying that their polciy is to ban commercial accounts that sign up?

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 19:43:54 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • danie10

     @danie10 I never claimed they could pay to get adverts inserted into your home feed. Why should they have to, they get to insert it for free into both your local and federated feed.

     I'm not sure its much better knowing they dont get charged to be able to insert their ads into your feeds.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Dec-2019 20:39:27 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • danie10

     @danie10 Well yea but to me that is better.

     Either way twitter or mastodon you're getting ads, so damage to you is done either way

     In the case of twitter and FB though there are two advantages

     1) it is tagged explicitly as an ad, this makes it trivial for ad blockers to remove it from your your timeline. So its in the power to easily remove it from the user, mastodon ads there is no easy way to eliminate them entierly.

     2) What money is made on ads goes partly to the platform. So at least instead of all that money being in the pockets of the people advertising it actually goes to improbe the platform, and therefore benefitting us, the users, if that money is spent well.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Dec-2019 12:11:19 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Eric Buijs
     • danie10

     @ericbuijs1

     Well I never said there were "official" ads, only ads.

     With that said i dont know what rules fosstodon has, I only mentioned MS as I know their rules. Perhaps they dont allow commercial accounts.

     QOTO also bans commercial accounts so some instances are ad free, but MS is not as far as i know.

     @danie10

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Dec-2019 12:15:07 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Eric Buijs
     • danie10

     @ericbuijs1

     By the way I never said FB and twitter are better for me. I run my own instance so I invest the time in blocking commercial accounts instance wide. So I'm more than happy here. Just saying there are plenty of ads in the network and they are much harder to block is all.

     @danie10

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Dec-2019 12:47:48 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Eric Buijs
     • danie10

     @ericbuijs1

     Which of these posts were commercial in nature? All I see are free-to-the-pubic journal papers, nothing commercial.

     @danie10

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Dec-2019 16:29:36 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Eric Buijs

     @ericbuijs1 They arent spamming the instance, they dont tag anyone, follow anyone, and are marked as a bot.

     There is nothing about that bot that would constitute spam. Making a handful of posts over a short period once a day is hardly spam by any measure.

     I do appreciate you mentioning it, but any user can filter out bots if they dont want to see automated posts. So its a non-problem as far as I can see.

     Thank you.