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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:27:51 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

   @pschwede
   Sure, though the level of complexity needed to do so would be another matter

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:33:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Simple reasoning to conclude you cant:

     Computers are built out of AC circuits.

     Computers are capable of modeling society.

     Ergo, AC circuits are capable of modeling society.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:34:32 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Simple reasoning to conclude you can:

     Computers are built out of AC circuits.

     Computers are capable of modeling society.

     Ergo, AC circuits are capable of modeling society.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:36:10 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Same way you do with any other circuit, lick it :)

     What do you mean by "identify"

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:37:14 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede well what aspect of society are you looking to model? We have economic models, civil models, growth models, you name it.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:39:14 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Well the most generic way to answer that is that pulses of voltage would represent bits of data, as it would in a computer. Those bits of data constitute information about the simulated society.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:40:44 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede They are used effectively to predict the future all the time, so would appeaar that yes, they are.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:42:16 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Depends are you trying to model society or are you just trying to find an analogy between electricity and society?

     An analogy is not a model.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:46:13 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede yes predictions have a margin of error and sometimes that error is too high to be useful.

     But that doesnt mean we arent modeling society. It just means the thing we are modeling has non-deterministic elements to it.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 09:50:57 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Only in a sense.. depends which of the definitions of analogy you invoke.

     you comparing like natured things (current and communication) that is fine but its more an analogy than a model.. in a model i am more free to encode that information in whateve rmeans is most effective, even if the way in which i encode it is not of "like nature"

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 10:06:35 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Yes we need a homomorphism. Those are functionally based however. Choosing current = communication doesnt seem to satisfy that

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 10:07:21 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede You coukd say current in a certain portion of a circuit might represent communication though.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 10:09:36 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede Like i said we already have it. models we run on computers are already examples of what your asking for (an AC circuit to model society)

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 10:22:37 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede So you want to model all aspects of society in the same level of complexity as society then?

     You cant, Nothing can model something else in its full detail, the fundamental laws of nature wont allow it. But we can model things in ways that are similar enough to be useful and accomplish some of the same things.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2019 10:44:39 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • 👁️‍🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ

     @pschwede I suspect what your really asking for is an analog computer to model analog processes