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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 15:08:16 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:
   • binsrc :popos:

   @binsrc

   How would a hunger strike, recess strike, or another form of strike any less public than a school strike. How public something is comes down to if/how it is announced. I dont see how one is intrinsicly any more hidden than the other.

   There are a ton of ways to strike and get publicity and a ton of things kids have to sacrafice. I have no doubt if kids en masse spent their weekends for example gathering and protesting it too would get attention. More so in fact because it would show sacrafice and commitment to a cause. I'm amazed some kids playing hookie got attention at all.

   @shibaprasad

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 12:38:32 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     Why is it so hard to get a good Role-model for climate change activism.

     I used to be fairky active about climate change but now that Greta came along I had to distance myself from most organizations as many seem to praise or support her. It is such a shame we cant have role models in climate change we can look up to.

     #climatechange #climate #science #enviroment #greta #gretathurnberg

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 12:55:04 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • alex

     @alex_ I dont think she has brought climate change into the public conscious. At best she has given people who were already activists someone to talk about.

     In general I think she has done more harm than good and pushed many of us out of the community.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 12:56:53 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Atlas Freeman

     @AtlasFreeman I mean there is little doubt climate change is real and very serious. To deny that would be on par with being a flat earther cnsidering how obvious this reality is.

     With that said there is no doubt it is weaponized when it should be an unquestionable reality at this point.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 13:52:40 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Fau

     @chaos_hydra The most notable issue is her anti-education stance. She promotes kids play hookie from school in order to bring about climate change without a very clear set of objectives or demands to even bring it about.

     The equivalent to this would be an educator starting a movement that said "We need to dump toxic waste in a river every friday to bring awareness to education". It is destructive to one cause in a vain attempt to bolster another.

     More importantly though is that it is self-destructive to the climate activism in the first place. Climate change denial is rooted in people being uneducated, not being critical thinkers able to reason and understand the situation. So the very movement she is creating in the long run will perpetuate the problem rather than fix it.

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   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 13:54:21 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:

     @shibaprasad The news outlets were already quite vocal about climate change. Greta did little to nothing to increase that awareness. She acts as a focal point for people who were already active in climate change. She did not however do anything productive WRT bringing people to the table who were otherwise indifferent about the issue, if anything she has driven those people to the opposite end of the spectrum.

     As I said in my other reply:

     The most notable issue is her anti-education stance. She promotes kids play hookie from school in order to bring about climate change without a very clear set of objectives or demands to even bring it about.

     The equivalent to this would be an educator starting a movement that said "We need to dump toxic waste in a river every friday to bring awareness to education". It is destructive to one cause in a vain attempt to bolster another.

     More importantly though is that it is self-destructive to the climate activism in the first place. Climate change denial is rooted in people being uneducated, not being critical thinkers able to reason and understand the situation. So the very movement she is creating in the long run will perpetuate the problem rather than fix it.

   • Fau (chaoshydra@mst3k.interlinked.me)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 14:16:04 UTC Fau

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     @freemo that makes a whole lot of sense. Didn't really know the climate strikes were _in schools_, despite hearing a lot about it. Thanks for enlightening me.

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   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 14:16:51 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Fau

     @chaos_hydra Happy to help, yea its concerning

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 14:43:52 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:
     • binsrc :popos:

     @binsrc

     Comparing them playing hookie to a strike is not a good comparison IMO for several important reasons.

     1) they dont have clear terms they are striking for, so its not really a strike or demand but a perpetual temper tantrum (a justified one mind you)

     2) more importantly, a Strike shows your commitment to a cause because you are giving up something and making a sacrifice by striking. PEople who strike sacrifice a pay check and devote the time and energy to stand outside with signs all day when sacrificing that income.

     In the case of kids playing hooky from school that is what they **want** to do, every kid (almost) looks for any opportunity they can to get a day off school, to them having a day off is not a punishment but a reward. There is no sense of sacrifice, they are taking something they want (skipping school) and parading it around as a strike.

     Nothing about it is a strike, and it is not really at all comparable to what a union does. Striking from work is not the same as striking from education.

     Now if these kids were striking from recess, or if they went on a hunger strike every lunch period and instead of going to lunch stood outside with protest signs, **then** id be compelled to agree with you.

     @shibaprasad

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 15:16:23 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:
     • binsrc :popos:

     @binsrc

     Their intent is not what i am criticising, it is how they are going about it. If it were my kid I'd tell them I am proud for wanting to fix the problem, but they are going about it in a wrong and shameful way, harmful to themselves and others without seeing the big picture.

     I would encourage them to continue to protest and to be an activist, but to be mindful that their actions and words dont do more harm than good.

     @shibaprasad

   • binsrc :popos: (binsrc@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 15:16:39 UTC binsrc :popos:

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     • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:

     @freemo ok agreed, if kids want to strike they should do it in the weekend. That’s a reasonable compromise. I think you’ve just won me over
     @shibaprasad

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   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 15:17:36 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:
     • binsrc :popos:

     @binsrc

     Their intent is not what i am criticising, it is how they are going about it. If it were my kid I'd tell them I am proud for wanting to fix the problem, but they are going about it in a wrong and shameful way, harmful to themselves and others without seeing the big picture.

     I would encourage them to continue to protest and to be an activist, but to be mindful that their actions and words dont do more harm than good.

     More importantly, as an adult, particularly if i were in control of a media outlet. I would refuse to promote or give screen time to the kids, like greta, who are being harmful to the cause and instead give the screen time to the kids who are making real sacrifice and accomplishing good towards the cause. This in turn would encourage kids to take the right sorts of actions to bring about change.

     @shibaprasad

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2019 15:18:10 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:
     • binsrc :popos:

     @binsrc

     If they were doing that I'd be the first to praise them and spread the word of what they are doing.

     @shibaprasad