@binsrc altruism is an illusion, it doesnt exist. Altruism is just what wer call selfishness done expertly.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 12:07:53 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 12:32:54 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@binsrc none of those acts are altruistic. You do it for many reasons such as to avoid guild, the happiness and pleasure from doing the good deed, and the praise and honor you receive from the community in doing so.
Altruism is simply an illusion, something we tell ourselves because it feels good.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 12:42:01 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@binsrc People get paid, they feel good, most have people in their life they would be sad to loose, lots of benefit for the people who work on cures really.
But of those reasons the biggest one seems to be wanting to save people you love who have the illness, which seems to be the vast majority of people working on cures, to avoid the guilt and sadness of doing nothing and letting their loved ones die is a lot of it.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 12:43:08 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@binsrc This isnt my idea by the way
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 12:46:16 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@binsrc depends, your sense of self-importance may be an illusion, but the fact that you expiernce it is very real all the same.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 13:04:57 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@binsrc Nothing can be altruistic, you wouldn't want it if it was :)
The problem is that people assume selfishness means bad. In fact selfishness can be bad or good and usually when we see positive selfishness we just call it altruism even though its not. Its more about our bias with words than anything.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 13:20:19 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@binsrc its still ego, it is just reflexive. Our subconscious is capable of responding quickly and in line with our wishes.
In fact if the argument is truly "they had no time to think" then it isnt altruistic anymore than it is selfish, since they didnt reason about it either way.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 13:51:37 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Well as I said your mind is more than your conscious thoughts. Usually if we walk near a ledge we make a conscious effort not to step over it but you arent actively thinking about not dieing, it is automatic, it doesnt need reasoning, but if asked why you'd recognize you were avoiding death
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 22:35:31 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
The selfishness in an anonymous donation would be the feelings of pleasure, self-rightousness, avoison of guilt, and quite often even the abiity to either brag about it or see yourself as superior to others.
Some of these apply more to some people than others. But a truly selfless act would be one that brings no pleasure, and if it brought no pleasure people wouldnt do it.
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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2019 22:37:47 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Also the reason it isnt useless is it leads to the realization that being selfish and being altruistic are one in the same thing. As such one would realize that in being a truely skillful person at being selfish would mean also doing whats best for yourself.
This manifests in people realizing being rich means they can help more people with that money and resources than it would to give away so much money you keep yourself poor, in which case youd have far less to give in a lifetime.
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