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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 15:53:33 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   I have to plan a trip back to my Philly home so I can visit some family for the new year. Its been a while since I shot my AR-15 too, she really was a lot of fun. I hope to own one here in Holland one day too.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 16:00:51 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • bikejourno

     @bikejourno My friend has a legal AR-15 rifle over here in his home in Holland. Its already legal, has been for a long time apparently though I dont know the laws, its certainly not as enlightened as the american system, but it seems to allow for ownership.

     Yes I have noticed many europeans have a very "big brother" approach when it comes to peoples ownership of pretty much anything that would require maturity and safety (guns, fireworks, SCUBA diving, you name it), hopefully an attitude I hope to change in some of the europeaners I meet now that I live here.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 16:10:23 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • bikejourno

     @bikejourno

     "The US are a pain when it comes to allowing e-bikes/pedelecs to the roads"

     How so. In america an e-bike and regular bike needs no registration, no license plate, no yearly taxes, nothing. You buy it you can ride it, your good

     By contrast in the netherlands if you want an e-bike then above a certain speed you need a license, license plate, everything, even the slower type of electric scooter needs a license plate and costs to get it.

     Would seem of the two that the USA is far less big brother on electric scooters and e-bikes honestly.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 16:19:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • bikejourno

     @bikejourno Well you are right it is based on per state, but to make the claim they are more big brother than europe isnt really a fair or accurate comparison.

     Yea a few states regulate it, and in those states the regulations arent particularly damning, they treat e-bikes as electric scooters, which actually makes some sense, the issue being they require a license for an electric scooter, which I agree is heavy handed.

     But again in other states there is no restriction on e-bikes or electric scooters, and in the netherlands such things require licenses and registeration.

     So no matter how you slice it your argument falls short. They certainly arent more big brother, they are at worst a little too big brother in some areas maybe. But nothing all that more damning than the norm in the Netherlands, and still a very isolated example for the most part either way.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 16:23:38 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • bikejourno

     @bikejourno Just for comparison I have owned an electric bike/scooter, in 3 different states in the USA and never cost me a penny nor did I need a license. In the Netherlands I would need both for an electric scooter and was unable to the license without moving here.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 16:35:20 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • bikejourno

     @bikejourno Notice my wording carefully said electric scooter, and not only e-bike.

     If you have an entierly electric scooter, still limited to less than 25 kph then yes you need both a license and a registration. In most states in america the same configuration does not need a license or even a registration.

     If you stick a battery on a regular bicycle then you can use that loophole to get around the restriction in the netherlands, but the restriction still exists where it does not in (most) of america.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 16:42:31 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • bikejourno

     @bikejourno

     You can call the big brother approach to "anything you twist with your wrist..." to be a good thing, thats your perogative.

     But that fact remains that your "america is more big brother" argument has failed when the facts are considered. Long story short For the most part if its electric and slow we really dont care if you have to accelerate with your wrist, your feetm or your penis, because, well America isnt a big brother state trying to tell people if they accelerate with their wrist they need their approval, lol, that was kinda the point :)

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 22:20:02 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @namark Yes its typical in english to refer to several types of objects as She, boats and weapons being the most common.

     P90 is on my list to get as well.