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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 12:19:03 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • Rob G.
   • Snow❄️

   @snow

   While I have no interestest in any form of hentai myself and can understand why someone might not want it or lolicon in their feed due to NSFW issues I have to side with the japanese on this one. They are drawings, no one is harmed, I see it as a non-issue. The reason child pornography in photos is illegal is obvious, because it brings harm to the children depicted, it should be illegal. But to make drawings "illegal" just stinks of censorship for the wrong reasons.

   @design_RG

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 12:34:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Snow❄️

     @snow If someone posts something that is a guide to pedophilia then yea, I agree, that is harmful and should be shunned. But that doesnt mean its a representation of everyone who is into the art, and certainly not of the ones I met.

     Specifically on mastodon i have two people I follow who seem to enjoy lolicon, they occasionally post memes about it (though thankfully dont share the lolicon itself as i keep my feed SFW). He has never shared anything to suggest he would actually support real life pedophilia and from my expiernce the vast majority of people into lolicon would find pedophila abhorrent. In fact most of the people in that scene do not even equate it with real life children.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 13:00:45 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Snow❄️

     @snow If its a drawing, naked, and sexual, its hard for me to see who is being harmed by that. Its distasteful but not harmful.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 13:29:33 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Snow❄️

     @snow Well its certainbly not appropriate for kids to see, sure. But neither is most of the content on the internet.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 14:18:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Snow❄️

     @snow I've never seen a legit pedo post in the feed so far thankfully. So it cant be that common.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 14:24:00 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Snow❄️

     @snow I see Pawoo pass by in the federated feed from time to time. While I dont doubt it occasionally shows up (and pawoo should be acting in those cases!) my point is, it isnt the majority or common since the vast majority of what I see from pawoo is not of that nature. We cant label a whole group based on the actions of a minority.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 14:27:29 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Snow❄️

     @snow No I cant, that may be why then, makes sense.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 18:59:49 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.
     • Snow❄️

     @design_RG

     That sounds far fetched that its some front for some deeper more sinester purpose. I think it is ignorant to the nature of people. Most probably enjoy the drawings and that is as far as it goes. For a small minority some probably take it further. People will always assume the most vile small minority of any group is representative of the whole sadly.

     I read a lot of blog posts 2 years ago when I started QOTO to try to reconcile my position on lolicon, much of it coming from the people on these instances themselves. It seemed clear to me most people who engage in lolicon and the majority of japanese (at least according to what I read) do not see it as related to actual real life children. It is a fantasy world like magic and other anime themes that arent meant to translate to the real world and for most people do not.

     To me it sounds like the same argument as people who think violence in video games implies people who like video games are violent. Thats just not how humans work.

     @snow

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 19:17:28 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.
     • Snow❄️

     @design_RG

     I agree, there will be some places where people trade actual child porn.

     All I'm saying is when I was researching the mastodon instances it didnt seem these were very popular places for that, at least not on the large lolicon instances like pawoo. It wouldnt surprise me though if some smaller instances engage in it as a point and purpose for the instance. Just saying its not the majority and I dont think its the case of Pawoo. Though I could be wrong.

     @snow