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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 20:25:48 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   New poll for Emacs and Vim users only, which is your favorite.

   #Emacs #spacemacs #DoomEmacs #doom-emacs #Vim #Linux #cs #it

   [ ] Vim
   [ ] Vanilla Emacs
   [ ] Spacemacs
   [ ] Doom-emacs

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 and 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 repeated this.
   • namark (namark@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 21:40:39 UTC namark

     in reply to

     @freemo next poll:

     [ ] emacs
     [ ] emacs!
     [ ] emacs!!
     [ ] emacs!!!

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   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 21:46:51 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @genericperson I certainly dont expect a random internet poll to be scientific level.

     I will say the ratio is actually not that different from what I've seen in other polls though. Consistently Vim seems to be preferred about 3:1 to emacs in programmer polls I've seen.

     Reason I like Spacemacs and Doom-macs is partly because it brings the best part of vim (its key sequences) to the best part of emacs (the extensibility)

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 21:48:34 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @iiogama indeed

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Jan-2020 22:03:27 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @genericperson Actually its the third option, you're the idiot, and I am just casually curious what people prefer here on this poll and in the comments.

     Sounds like you have some issues though, good luck with that.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 14:46:08 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • La Fée Verte

     @Absinthe Both spacemacs and doom-macs are Emacs + Evil, but yea no vanilla option for that

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 14:57:28 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • La Fée Verte

     @Absinthe yea Spacevim, but its far less popular. I've never done a real deep dive on vim or emacs until lately. So I'm really not sure what Vim would offer me that Emacs + Evil wouldnt.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:01:37 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • mandlebro

     @mandlebro Yea I cant say im surprised.I personally would love to get in the head of someone who actually prefers Vim (or even vanilla Emacs). I really cant see why one would though im a noob to these techs as I always used them in vanilla mode to edit single files, and rarely source code.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:02:54 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • La Fée Verte

     @Absinthe Actually last I checked in 2019 vim was still a pretty strong choice among developers. Checkout the stackoverflow survey it goes into some crazy detail.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:07:57 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • La Fée Verte

     @Absinthe What i like about vim is the keys are easy to remember, its why i like evil-mode flavors like spacemacs. The popup help as you type in spacemacs and doom-macs though is a clear winning feature for me

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:12:14 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • La Fée Verte

     @Absinthe It is non-intrusive on spacemacs and doom-macs. If you know the command you type it so quickly the help at the bottom never shows. If you dont know the command and stop half way through it shows after a few ms delay. So it only shows when its needed and even then doesnt really get in the way

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:19:49 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • mandlebro

     @mandlebro I hear bloat used a lot.. I am highly bias as I call it "feature rich" which is good not bad. Only time bloat is bloat is when it is slow or other negative side effects.

     Conflicts as you say would be legitimate, but it seems rare and easily avoided. Most modes have multiple key combos, and you can pick different leadin keys if needed. Good tools to identify when one layer masks another and how.

     I've got an insane number of layers going (I cranked it up to 11) and havent had a single conflict of issue yet. But could be because I'm a noob i just dont see the issues yet either.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:23:39 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @mikey That is quite the ideological transition you made there.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:26:58 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • La Fée Verte

     @Absinthe Also this (I havent tried it though): http://kakoune.org/

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:27:10 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • La Fée Verte

     @Absinthe Also this (I havent tried it though): http://kakoune.org/

     Its Vim based

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:32:21 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @mikey I am moving in the opposite direction (from gui to emacs) the the exact same reason, lol

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 15:45:52 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @mikey It kinda makes sense with no explanation really, all the tools are there you'd need in an IDE really, find, replace, filetree, git commands. I get it. Only thing you'd have to offload is the actual fileediting.

     Though i find the file editing part is 95% of what an IDE does anyway so I'm not sure it solves much unless you just dont want the code completion, syntax highlighting, inspections and similar visual aids. Which is fine, but personally I find those to be vital time savers.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 20:34:33 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     in reply to

     This absolutely unbiased poll is now over. Spacemacs is the clear winner!

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2020 21:29:28 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.

     @design_RG lololol