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  1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:02:04 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
    • Rob G.
    • Snow❄️
    • lnxist

    @design_RG

    One thing to point out is that GAB got the way it is mostly because of the very actors that you describe (in general not these specific people).

    Now before i continue I want to say, GAB is, at the moment, and for most of its history, very right wing. ITs content is significantly disgusting and I dont follow even a single GAB person (though have met some nice GAB refugees). So with that said let me continue.

    The original mission, and even their current mission, was never to favor right-wing in any sense. They opened in response to FB and twitters censorship with only one goal in mind: free speech. Granted they took this goal to the utmost extreme, but in and of itself nothing horrific about the networks intentions.

    However the left, particularly in europe, sees "free speech" as a sort of trigger word to mean "evil things are condoned here". So as a result the left boycotted the system from very early on. The end result is that hte left and even many moderates created the vile nature of GAB simply by boycotting it, leaving only the vile people to remain. Evil thrives in the darkness, by withdrawing and allowing an echo chamber to exist it ultimately snowballed and created a safe haven for that very darkness.

    Federation I saw as an oppertunity to bring isolated, cruel people back into a larger community where their views can be challenged for the vile nature they are and hopefully well meaning people could bring some of these people back to the light. But instead the idea of blocking the whole network has only strengthened their resolve and given them an echo chamber where their ideas of prejudism are praised and reinforced.

    We have to recognize that while they are entierly accountable for their own actions, we live in a society and int he long run it does more harm than good to silo them away in their own corner of the internet.

    @lnxist @snow

    In conversation Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:02:04 UTC from qoto.org permalink
    • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:10:36 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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      • Rob G.
      • Snow❄️
      • lnxist

      @design_RG

      Here is a relevant post I wrote about 5 months ago that touches on a lot of what I said in my last post in more detail (it got a big reaction both bad and good int he fediverse)

      https://qoto.org/@freemo/102720253460317829

      @lnxist @snow

      In conversation Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:10:36 UTC permalink

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        How the Liberal Left created the Conservative Right and extremism in the fediverse: As someone who cares greatly about equality, and recognizes minorities and underprivileged groups deal with some unique and difficult struggles I realize the title to this post would seem a bit inflammatory. But that is not my intention, my intention is to address a very real problem. As anyone on the fediverse knows there are generally two major groups of instances. Those that wont ban anything of any kind, no rules it's the wild west (red instances). Then there are those that ban anyone who shares any opinion that disagrees with their politics, even if you criticise both the left and the right in the same breath you will likely quickly find the instance or yourself banned. However the unfortunate consequence of this pattern of behavior is to promote ever increasing support for red instances and to drive grey instances (instances that take a middle ground) into being red instances. Should be obvious why... You basically have a spectrum of behavior with red on one side and blue on the other. With everyone crammed into the 0.1% of either end of this spectrum that means most new instances will start off, most likely, somewhere in the grey area, even if their just marginally shy of being red or blue in its full extreme. The experience for an admin of such an instance is to quickly be overwhelmed with people from blue instances blocking and banning for things like criticising a democratic politician or something rather minor. By the end of the first few months a blue/left leaning instance will quickly find itself on dozens of suspend or ban instances as a result and find they only have a voice among the 99% red instances and the 1% grey instances out there. Since this means they naturally wont have a voice among blue instances, and most people are on social media because they want to be social, this means their only incentive is to appeal to red instances (since that's where all their boosts and likes come from). Along with building animosity for how blue instances treat them and with the acceptance of red instances you will find all the incentive for the instances to move to be an extremist red instance with extremist no-rule policies quickly develop. As such we see exactly what we are seeing now on the fediverse, an ever increasing number of red instances very quickly overwhelming and overtaking the blue instances. Of course this is made worse by the fact that those ont he blue instances can only see other blue instances. so they will be under the mistaken impression that the red instances don't exist and that the blue instances are thriving and growing and dominating over the red instances. This ignorance just ensures the red instances grow unchecked and unchallenged. As someone who's personal policy is anti-extremism, and with this pattern being one that generates extremism it is very VERY concerning to me. #mastodon #fediverse #uspol #extremism #mastoadmin
    • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:27:39 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
      • Rob G.
      • Snow❄️
      • lnxist

      @design_RG

      Keep in mind the QOTO server (and as an extension myself as the founder) are several years old. I've been around since the earlier days of the fediverse. So I have seen how a lot of what you deal with now evolved in the first place.

      @lnxist @snow

      In conversation Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:27:39 UTC permalink
    • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:39:51 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
      • Rob G.

      @design_RG Sadly there is a lot of this sort of people. Most of the mastodon are whitnighting against violations they see on FB or twitter. As such they are usually quite assertive about their politics.

      In conversation Tuesday, 14-Jan-2020 19:39:51 UTC permalink

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