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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2020 15:10:08 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   Just a reminder to the Climate Change Deniers. For well over a decade overall arctic ice has been decreasing at rates **faster** than older models originally predicted.

   https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2007GL029703

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2020 12:10:08 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • AmpBenzScientist

     @AmpBenzScientist Very true. Thankfully models are completely irrelevant to us knowing that Climate Change is human caused and already very much devastating.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2020 12:49:10 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • AmpBenzScientist

     @AmpBenzScientist That makes no sense. Models arent used to determine the curreent severity of a problem, theya re used to predict the severity we may expect in the future.

     Models have no relevance on understanding that the effects of climate change have **already** been devestating, so no they dont and by their nature cant fail at that task, as that is not their purpose.

     This seems to be a position drawn from complete ignorance as to what role models play in science.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2020 13:21:13 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • AmpBenzScientist

     @AmpBenzScientist If I want to know something about the present or past I dont need a model, I simply need to look at the past or the present.

     If someone claims "50% of the ice caps have already melted" (just making up a figure) I dont need a model to confirm that, a model is irrelevant. All I need to do is look at the ice caps and measure how much of it there is.