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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 06-Sep-2021 17:28:09 UTC Bernie

   in reply to

   • Caleb James DeLisle
   • Emacsen
   • kravietz 🦇

   #Switzerland's reputation of being a privacy haven is unjustified.

   I visited Switzerland last week, and *all* public wifi hotspots require SMS verification. Apparently, it's a legal requirement.

   Come on, even Italy stopped doing that long time ago!

   @kravietz @emacsen @cjd

   • kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@social.privacytools.io)'s status on Monday, 06-Sep-2021 17:28:13 UTC kravietz 🦇

     in reply to

     • Caleb James DeLisle
     • Emacsen

     @emacsen

     Their whole marketing has been built on no logging and no data release "because Switzerland".

     @cjd

   • kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@social.privacytools.io)'s status on Monday, 06-Sep-2021 17:28:14 UTC kravietz 🦇

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     • Caleb James DeLisle
     • Emacsen

     @emacsen @cjd

     There's no problem with complying with court orders. The problem is lying about it for marketing purposes.

   • Emacsen (emacsen@emacsen.net)'s status on Monday, 06-Sep-2021 17:28:14 UTC Emacsen

     in reply to

     • Caleb James DeLisle
     • kravietz 🦇

     @kravietz @cjd

     I must have missed that part. Where did they lie?

   • Emacsen (emacsen@emacsen.net)'s status on Monday, 06-Sep-2021 17:28:15 UTC Emacsen

     in reply to

     • Caleb James DeLisle

     @cjd

     This.

     I also read some stuff on Reddit about why Protonmail should shut down rather than comply.

     The Lavabit strategy is commendable but I think the damage it would do generally would be tremendous if it happened.

     I personally believe Proton is striking the best balance they can in this circumstance.

   • Caleb James DeLisle (cjd@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Sep-2021 17:28:16 UTC Caleb James DeLisle

     There are web services that won't sell your data, but there aren't web services that'll go to jail for you.