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1. sneak (sneak@s.sneak.berlin)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:21:04 UTC sneak

   https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html

   rms himself writes (in (3)) about why the AGPL is nonfree.

   • sneak (sneak@s.sneak.berlin)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:20:59 UTC sneak

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     • Ali Reza Hayati

     @arh they redefined "user" to be the person making the http requests and not the person, you know, who actually edited and is running the software on the computers they own, because they're anti-capitalists who don't believe in the concept of private property when it comes to information. they have a stock retort for when they are accused of this which does not actually refute the issue.

   • Ali Reza Hayati (arh@mastodon.alirezahayati.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:21:02 UTC Ali Reza Hayati

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     @sneak yeah you have a point. I’ll ask RMS and FSF about this.

   • Ali Reza Hayati (arh@mastodon.alirezahayati.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:21:03 UTC Ali Reza Hayati

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     @sneak AGPL doesn’t restrict you from that.

   • sneak (sneak@s.sneak.berlin)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:21:03 UTC sneak

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     • Ali Reza Hayati

     @arh number 3 - "when you wish". i may wish to make no copies of my modified server software, and never distribute them. AGPL prevents this.

   • McSinyx (cnx@nixnet.social)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:21:17 UTC McSinyx

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     • Ali Reza Hayati

     they redefined “user” to be the person making the http requests and not the person, you know, who actually edited and is running the software on the computers they own

     Say if I borrow your machine, @sneak, and use the software on it, who will be the user, you or me? What software does is transforming data from one form to the other, which makes usage the transformation of data and user the one giving the input and taking the output (in various format). The additional clauses of AGPL (compared to GPL) close the loop hole of SaaSS. Who at which end of e.g. the HTTP requests is not the deal breaker, but who actually uses the software, to be provided as a service or not.

     they’re anti-capitalists

     The entire concept of software freedom, including copyleft, in contrary to popular belief, is pro-capitalism, by facilitating a free market and competition. Copyright, on the other hand, is about monopolistic power and as anti-capitalism as possible, but I was told that it’s supposed to encourage creativity so :meowShrug:

     [they] don’t believe in the concept of private property when it comes to information

     I can see your confusion here. Back to the hypothetical scenario, per private property rights alone nothing would prevent me from make an exact copy of your machine when I borrow it and the same for the software. The reason an user of a SaaSS cannot do so is not because private property, but copyright.

     I hope this clarifies it for you as well, @arh