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1. sneak (sneak@s.sneak.berlin)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:21:08 UTC sneak

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   • Alexandre Oliva

   @lxo a zealot is someone who won't change their mind and won't change the subject

   you're forgetting about the freedoms of the most important users

   • Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2022 09:21:09 UTC Alexandre Oliva
     SaaS is about as confusing as cloud and IP, it jumbles too many different kinds of services under the same umbrella. that's why we who care about users' software freedoms use terms that distinguish between services in which the software running on a server performs the operator's computing (the case you seem to care about), those in which the software performs the remote client's computing (the SaaSS case that AGPL addresses) and those in which it performs multi-party computing (publishing, communication).
     maybe lowering the abstraction level would help. instead of reasoning in terms of "the service is my computing!", which is a perfectly fine stance to take in some cases but not in others, we should look into the specifics of some kinds of services and see what follows from that?