mhoye
Hey, so this is super cool.
Google has been collecting call and messaging data about who you talk to or send text messages to for years. There's no opt-out, no notifcation in their TOS they're doing this, and you can't see the results of that collection in Google Takeout.
https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/privacyofdialerandsmsapps.pdf
mhoye
Between you and me, this is one of the most frustrating things about working at Mozilla. We spend _years_ busting our asses on privacy, agonizing over minimalist, rigorously anonymized telemetry, making sure it's all transparent and safe and has opt-outs, and the internet screams at us for it anyway. And every other tech company out there responds to the years of research it takes to prove they don't give a shit about any of this with "whoops yeah sorry my bad we'll definitely do something".
Tagomago
@mhoye Don't do any telemetry, I guess? Mozilla's users are not at all the same as Google's users, not the same expectations or even the same awareness about it. They are expected to be evil.
mhoye
@tagomago Unfortunately, it is basically impossible to develop software without incremental deployment and robust telemetry. Without them, every change becomes an uncontrolled experiment across your entire user base with no feedback mechanism and no baseline. There's too much too-different hardware, OS and other operational context in the world now, and no organization with front-line privacy and security obligations can responsibly be flying blind in that environment.
Tagomago
@mhoye How do free OSs/Linux kernel devs handle that?
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