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  1. Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:57 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier

    Fediverse has flaws, big flaws.

    Example: basing any decentralization of the Internet on a centralized structure like DNS is problematic.

    Yet, I'm going all in on the Fediverse. Here's why. https://blog.peerverse.space/why-im-all-in-with-the-fediverse-even-though-i-have-gripes/

    In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:57 UTC from mastodon.social permalink

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    1. Why I'm all in with the Fediverse even though I have gripes
      Today, I stumbled upon this blog post entitled Why the Fediverse is stuck (warning: SFW post but NSFW elsewhere on the site). This point stuck out at me: It may seem contradictory that all these 'decentralised' protocols are based on a very centralised structure such as the DNS, when one
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:45 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      The Fediverse is not the best solution for decentralization. Yet, it is still a solution. More importantly, it's a solution that actually has momentum.

      So I'm all in.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:45 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:46 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      Let me confess something. For the past 5 years, I've been working on technologies to decentralize the web. There's been progress. I think what I'm working on will be better than current Fediverse apps. But they're not ready yet.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:46 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:46 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      The tech I'm building isn't ready. But what can we all use now? Mastodon, Matrix, Pleroma, Pixelfed, Peertube... I can go on.

      Let's decentralize now instead of waiting for something better to come along in the future.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:46 UTC permalink
      soloojos (Mastodon Uruguay) repeated this.
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:47 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      The Fediverse is a collection of messy, badly documented protocols.

      But also: the Fediverse is actually decentralized and has momentum.

      I have my gripes but acknowledge the Fediverse has big advantages.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:47 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:49 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      I've spoken to other people who have recently joined the Fediverse. They report the same thing. The Fediverse may have a smaller userbase, but more interactions.

      This means the Fediverse has something important: momentum.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:49 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:50 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      Earlier this week, I wrote about how easy it was to build a network effect with a new Pixelfed instance. I'm experiencing interactions that rival when I had an Instagram account. Did I get lucky? Am I an edge case? https://blog.peerverse.space/my-pixelfed-instance-is-a-bigger-success-than-i-could-ever-have-predicted/

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:50 UTC permalink

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      1. My Pixelfed instance is a bigger success than I could ever have predicted
        When I started peerverse.space, the intent was to test out the efficacy of a brand new Fediverse that's not based on Mastodon. It also helps that I generally agreed with dansup's central purpose with Pixelfed, so that's the platform I chose. I should mention my general expectations: Maybe I'd
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:50 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      But also, let's consider this Mastodon (@atomicpoet) account and compare it to my Twitter profile.

      On Twitter, I have 8,600+ followers. On Mastodon, a little over 300.

      Yet, I get more interactions happening on Mastodon.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:50 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:51 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      But what is decentralized and has a wide enough network effect? What collective protocol(s) have momentum?

      The Fediverse!

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:51 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:52 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      Now let's consider SIP. I remember lots of clients back in the 2000s, but widespread use was little. Why? Because of Skype.

      There's still hope for SIP via Jitsu, but most people use something like Zoom—and Zoom is centralized.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:52 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:52 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      To sum up:

      1. SMTP: popular but centralized
      2. XMPP: Good, lacks network effect, used for building centralized apps
      3. SIP: Good enough, has stuck around, might have a second Life

      Either centralized or doesn't have a good network effect.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:52 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:53 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      XMPP seems like a protocol companies use to build centralized messaging apps upon. Federated XMPP apps have comparatively little adoption.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:53 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:54 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      Google dominates email. As of 2019, Gmail had 1.5 billion users. If Gmail were a social network, it would rival Facebook.

      As far as decentralization is concerned, email is not in good health.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:54 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:54 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      XMPP is probably the best messaging technology today—better than Matrix, Signal, and Telegram. This is why Google, Apple, etc. continue to build tech on top of XMPP.

      But do you know anyone in your social circle that uses XMPP clients?

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:54 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:55 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      SMTP, XMPP, and SIP could be great standards to build a social network upon. I hope someone does it.

      But where are they now?

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:55 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:55 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      Lots of folks are rediscovering the value of SMTP, especially as big corporations realize that newsletters outperform Facebook in terms of engagement. Good for email!

      But just like social media, email has become centralized.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:55 UTC permalink
    • Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:56 UTC Chris Trottier Chris Trottier
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      First, let's talk about alternatives to ActivityPub.

      SMTP, XMPP, SIP—the Fediverse could have been built on these protocols. They've been battle-tested. They're well-documented. They work.

      In conversation Friday, 22-Apr-2022 22:57:56 UTC permalink

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