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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 00:57:06 UTC Bernie

   • olamundo

   @hrcerq @olamundo Ok, but before we start fighting and boycotting, could we at least gather evidence of wrongdoing?

   Assuming that they'll do evil without being able to prove it later will make us look like SCO accusing Linux of copying their OS without being able to point at any specific piece of code in court 🤡

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 00:58:18 UTC Bernie

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     • olamundo
     • hrcerq

     @hrcerq @olamundo

     "They are smoking crack." - Linus Torvalds on SCO
     https://www.eweek.com/servers/torvalds-slams-sco/

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 00:58:55 UTC Bernie

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     • olamundo
     • hrcerq

     For those who were too young at the time:

     "They are smoking crack." - Linus Torvalds on SCO
     https://www.eweek.com/servers/torvalds-slams-sco/

     @hrcerq @olamundo

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 01:10:09 UTC Bernie

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     • Benjamin Mako Hill
     • olamundo
     • hrcerq

     @olamundo @hrcerq To be extra clear: I have no sympathy for Microsoft and I'm not trying to defend them. I even maintained a Microsoft hate page listing all their misdoings, along with some links to sources.

     All I'm saying is that we should find real evidence to back all our accusations. Or else, they'll simply take the weakest claim and use it to show that we're a bunch of crazy Microsoft haters.

     How do I know? A few years ago, a good friend did *exactly* this with my list! Hello, @mako 👋

   • olamundo@red.niboe.info's status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 01:10:10 UTC olamundo

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     • hrcerq

     @codewiz @hrcerq

     "Microsoft ❤️ Linux"

     Then moving for Lenovo to emprision users in their shitty OS is wrongdoing.

     I really don't want to start listing, as it is a long history of wrongdoings which I am sure you are aware yourself.

     You keep bringing it to court, but the problem with courts is that they analyze a case alone in the vacuum, not a systemic parasidic structure.

   • hrcerq (hrcerq@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 01:38:22 UTC hrcerq

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     • Benjamin Mako Hill
     • olamundo
     Again I agree. I still believe paying attention to legal aspects is important, but even more, we must pay attention to moral aspects.
     
     It is crystal clear that they're acting as parasites, using code without the knowledge/consent of its authors to create their own products or improve existing ones.
   • olamundo@red.niboe.info's status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 01:38:23 UTC olamundo

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     • Benjamin Mako Hill
     • hrcerq

     @codewiz @hrcerq @mako

     I know that you are not an M$ fanboy, or supporter in any way and I am writing you based on that knowledge.

     Still, their behaviour is clearly that of a parasite.

     Like I said, we don't need them, but they couldn't function without #FLOSS .

     I can't find the legal apparathus to get them incriminated for their actions with Copilote,
     but I am saying exacly that we know they are parasites working against the interests of all devs, all users, and even the planet, considering how they make machines obsolete.
     ( #UpCycleWin7 )

     Fines won't do them damage.

     We should cut them down and burn the stem.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 01:38:44 UTC Bernie

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     • olamundo
     • hrcerq

     @hrcerq @olamundo The most helpful contributions are well-researched arguments written in a neutral language, like mjg59's post on the Lenovo / Microsoft UEFI policy change:
     https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/60248.html

     Asking Microsoft to clarify their motivations forces them to come up with a plausible public response OR look so guilty that there's nothing they could possibly add in their defense.

   • hrcerq (hrcerq@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 01:41:33 UTC hrcerq

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     • Benjamin Mako Hill
     • olamundo
     • hrcerq
     Not really sure, but I'll bet they have more lawyers than programmers nowadays...
     
     And beyond the copilot thing, having a single centralized and closed-source based infrastructure for all floss projects is a big flaw[1].
     
     [1] https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/29/free-software-free-infrastructure.html
   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-2022 01:41:33 UTC Bernie

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     • Benjamin Mako Hill
     • olamundo
     • hrcerq

     @hrcerq @olamundo @mako Agreed. That's why we should be moving to #GitLab and possibly self-host instances, as many large open source projects have already been doing (#KDE, #GNOME, #FreeDesktop and #Debian).

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Jul-2022 15:26:31 UTC Bernie

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     • olamundo
     • hrcerq

     And here's another good one:
     https://gabrielsieben.tech/2022/07/25/the-power-of-microsoft-pluton-2/

     It's essentially Windows Palladium coming back from the deep! 😨

     @hrcerq @olamundo #microsoft #pluton #drm