Notices by Xerz 💗 [UNMOVED] (espectalll@mstdn.io), page 13

@thanatos @Vexatos Everything forces you to install something, it's just that some runtimes are more widely available than others.

@Vexatos @thanatos honestly Java *is* a meme. A meme which I've only been recently fond of, and which I think we'll soon be able to say goodbye thx to the many other possible ways to get fast multiplatform runtimes.

BTW BCHS is also a meme, just write your own OS 😂 :okfidget:

@Vexatos @thanatos honestly Java *is* a meme. A meme which I've only been recently fond of, and which I think we'll soon be able to say goodbye thx to the many other possible ways to get fast multiplatform runtimes.

BT BCHS is also a meme, just write your own OS 😂 :okfidget:

@thanatos @Vexatos This doesn't really make sense, though. You're mixing up concepts here and can't come up with anything specific.

Java is compiled. It's, by default AOT-compiled into JVM bytecote, and then JIT-compiled into native processor instructions which are directly executed. What you called "strictly compiled" is actually AOT-compiled into native processor bytecode which is usually stored in files.

So yeah, Java is compiled. And yeah, nobody said that I'm not comparing those. lol.

@Vexatos @thanatos (which includes Java in a limited way since Java 9, see jshell)

@Vexatos @thanatos and you can also run JIT-compiled JVM bytecode with interpreted JVM langs since Java 7, thx InvokeDynamic

@Vexatos That's the cost of getting rid of garbage, luckily Java 8 still has support

@kurisu @sir thx

@Vexatos @thanatos Actually no, because LLVM *is* a VM. It's just that nobody really understands what a VM or compiling is.

@Vexatos @thanatos Julia is JIT via LLVM

@Vexatos @thanatos yeah, but most people don't think of that as "compiling"

@thanatos @Vexatos I think you replied to the wrong toot lol

but yeah, that's kinda the idea, although if by "compiled" you mean "AOT compiled", Java isn't usually that.

@Vexatos Those are short-term releases, Java 11 is going to be the first LTS.

Also I don't really care about backwards compatibility, and Java 9 broke it for a reason, which was software using com.sun APIs which weren't supposed to be used in the first place. I don't really think retrocompatibility should be kept for what's clearly shit code.

@MatejLach @KitRedgrave GraalVM definitely helps but there's been many measures, mainly in order to reduce IO operations on disk during startup.

@quad Python is simply *designed* to be both easy to learn and easy to prototype with. Kinda like PHP, except with some decency. Meanwhile, Go and Swift add a tiny bit of friction, and things happen (Xcode playgrounds are as valid as Jupyter notebooks in all regards except openness and portability, BTW)

And honestly, there's many times where Python makes me stop to search up how to do some dumb thing, but it's pretty unique for quickly wrapping up some code without knowing shit tbh.

@Vexatos And Java stopped being complete shit because of Java 8 and onwards.

@Vexatos @quad Yeah, neither I can find Python + PyPy nor Erlang/Elixir. Which is honestly quite a mistake imho.

@Vexatos (it's still pretty heavy and Java itself is still too verbose and OOP-dependant)

@Vexatos And probably the most used runtime when we consider other JVM languages like Scala and Clojure, lol

@KitRedgrave It's been pretty fast on servers for a while. They're now working on making loadtimes on PCs fast too, though.