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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 01:43:32 UTC Bernie

   I'm downloading #Manjaro with the #Plasma desktop.

   It's one of the few #Linux distros that positions #KDE and #GNOME on the same level, and I want to see how's the out-of-the-box user experience.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 01:45:28 UTC Bernie

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     Also, I'm curious to see what the Manjaro installer looks like...

     I've been using #ArchLinux for years, but I couldn't recommend it to any of my less technical friends. Even with archinstall, it's still not a smooth experience.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 02:05:39 UTC Bernie

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     • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

     @dropbear42 I don't think I'll migrate to #Manjaro today.

     I just wanted to check if it's something I could give to family and friends who'd normally get #Ubuntu.

     Yes Ubuntu sucks and Snap is horrible, but it gets enough QA that users without a lot of she'll experience can live with it without going back to Windows.

   • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma: (dropbear42@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 02:05:40 UTC dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

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     @codewiz That's interesting. Afaik a user's trajectory from MJ to #archlinux is quite common [including me], but the reverse direction is much less common. Good luck. BTW [heehee], i wonder if you'll notice slower boot times now. For the 3 years i used MJ, its boot times felt "normal" to me, but once i moved to Arch itself 3 years ago, i found much faster boot times. Apparently MJ devs compile/d their kernels with heaps of extra modules than pure Arch [for wider system compatibility i presume]?

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 02:42:05 UTC Bernie

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     • darcmage 🇨🇦 :tux:

     @darcmage Indeed, I've been using Fedora on my personal laptop for ~20 years, and I would recommend it to Linux developers who want a reasonably up-to-date distro and don't mind having to go to RpmFusion and Flathub for media codecs, emulators, etc.

   • darcmage 🇨🇦 :tux: (darcmage@twit.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 02:42:06 UTC darcmage 🇨🇦 :tux:

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     @codewiz As a current manjaro user and probably soon-to-be arch user, I think fedora is probably your best bet as an ubuntu replacement for stability and relatively quick updates.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 02:58:02 UTC Bernie

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     • Ken

     @captdust Thanks, I'll give it a try next time: the Manjaro ISO is still downloading, and today I'm running out of time for distro tourism 😅

   • Ken (captdust@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 02:58:03 UTC Ken

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     @codewiz could I suggest investigating endeavorOS? I've found it to be solid Ubuntu replacement for my less than technical friends and family, but still allowed them to have upstream and updated packages.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 03:10:10 UTC Bernie

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     • Ken

     Back in August, I tried #PopOS and I was surprised by the polished UX they have built on top of the declining Ubuntu.

     https://mstdn.io/@codewiz/108778326950813454
     @captdust

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 03:14:08 UTC Bernie

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     • Doug Swain
     • darcmage 🇨🇦 :tux:

     @pseudoramble @darcmage I used to turn off SElinux on the first weird issue, but now it's been enabled for a few years in a row without me having to notice its presence.

     Granted, this is just a laptop, not a multiuser server with email delivery, LDAP and all sorts of daemons...

   • Doug Swain (pseudoramble@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 03:14:09 UTC Doug Swain

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     • darcmage 🇨🇦 :tux:

     @codewiz @darcmage yeah I started using Fedora on some systems recently. It's been many years since I have. It's been smooth! SElinux on by default is the most surprising part lol.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 03:18:26 UTC Bernie

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     • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

     @dropbear42 I agree, and it's exactly what was needed to get a good number of Windoze users to switch to Linux!

     If they didn't make a series of mistakes with Unity, MIR and Snap, they'd still be a good default choice for small companies and home users...

   • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma: (dropbear42@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 03:18:27 UTC dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

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     @codewiz Fair enough.

     Btw, IMO... Buntu is the windoze of penguins. 😱

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:06:24 UTC Bernie

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     The #Manjaro live image booted quickly and effortlessly in UEFI mode, bringing me to a plain #KDE #Plasma desktop (which is good).

     The kernel in the live image is 5.15.60 (an LTS kernel), and KDE is 5.24.6, which is quite outdated.

     As expected, WiFi, GPU and sound work perfectly out of the box. If this isn't your usual experience, learn to pick your hardware more wisely, or stop using outdated distros.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:08:21 UTC Bernie

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     The #Manjaro #Linux installer looks neat, but I'll stop here: I just needed a live image to recover my existing Linux install which deleted its own kernel...

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:35:07 UTC Bernie

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     • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

     I'm equally mystified, @dropbear42 !

     I chrooted into the root partition and found that linux 6.1.arch1-1 was installed, but it only owns files under /usr/lib/modules.

     So I re-ran `pacman -S linux`, which re-created vmlinuz and initramfs in /boot.

     Not sure where these scripts are. They don't seem to be part of the linux package.

   • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma: (dropbear42@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:35:08 UTC dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

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     @codewiz 😮
     >my existing Linux install which deleted its own kernel

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:43:44 UTC Bernie

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     • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

     @dropbear42 I already got plenty of distro recommendations, and... I don't mind at all! 🙂

   • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma: (dropbear42@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:43:45 UTC dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

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     @codewiz Pretty weird! I can't recall that happening to me before, otoh maybe your little "turbulence" here is a warning to me that i've also a little "surprise" heading my way next update? I have both Zen & LTS installed [several months ago i removed vanilla Linux]. 🤷♀️

     PS: We need to urgently destroy these posts before the !=arch peeps leap on us & recommend buntu/fedora/suse/void/logtables&pencil

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:45:04 UTC Bernie

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     • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

     btw, why is paru out-of-date in AUR?

     https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/paru

     @dropbear42 #ArchLinux #paru

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:46:51 UTC Bernie

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     • dropbear42 🌈♀:arch: :plasma:

     There's a paru-bin package with paru 1.11.2-1... but should I trust a blob built on someone's laptop, even if that someone is the lead developer of paru?

     https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/paru-bin

     @dropbear42

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:57:42 UTC Bernie

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     • Christian Horn

     @globalc haha, I never actually had Caldera Linux, as it was the most proprietary distro of that era. But I remember hearing it had Tetris in the installer!

   • Christian Horn (globalc@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:57:44 UTC Christian Horn

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     @codewiz It looks neat.. but does it allow you to play a game while installing, like #caldera ? :)

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 05:58:54 UTC Bernie

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     • Christian Horn

     Aha, there it is!
     https://youtu.be/T_huLzhCpqU?t=588
     @globalc #caldera #tetris

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 11:30:52 UTC Bernie

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     • Neff :manjaro:

     @neffscape That's right, it's quite buggy and they're aware of it. In Nate Graham's own words:

     "KDE software has historically been accused of being resource-intensive, ugly, and buggy. Over the years we’ve largely resolved the first two, but the issue of bugginess persists."

     Read on to see what they've been doing to address the problem:
     https://pointieststick.com/2022/01/18/the-15-minute-bug-initiative/
     #KDE #Plasma

   • Neff :manjaro: (neffscape@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 11:30:53 UTC Neff :manjaro:

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     @codewiz let us know how it goes. I'm using #manjaro #gnome on my laptop, but I used #KDE #Plasma in the past. I always found it great out of the box and buggy when changing something from the defaults. I always wondered if it was because of the underlying distro (I was using PopOS that never officially supported Plasma) or because of Plasma itself.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Dec-2022 09:17:39 UTC Bernie

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     • Ken

     I'll should really give it a try...
     https://www.phoronix.com/news/EndeavourOS-Cassini
     #EndeavourOS @captdust