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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 12:57:30 UTC Danyl Strype

   • Bob Mottram
   @bob read your piece on GNU/Stallmanism:
   http://qttr.at/1y53
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 12:58:12 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob I agree with the points you make, but ironically they were mostly orthogonal to the author's point, and in some cases examples of it
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:02:22 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob the fundamental claim of the free software movement is that proprietary software takes away people's control of computers they use...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:03:36 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob in the same way that carbon emissions takes away people's ability to live on a planet with a stable climate...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:04:35 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob I can do some things to reduce my personal emissions and my carbon footprint (what I buy and use), and I do that...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:05:16 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob but if it's only me and a few other hippies doing that, it won't make a lick of difference to the overall result
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:08:56 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob Jan's point is that a few of us replacing proprietary software on some of the PCs we own is good, but it can't fix the overall problem
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:09:27 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob as with climate change, fixing the overall problem requires collective solutions, political organising etc
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:14:50 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Brandon Hall ❎
     @bthall @bob my point is that proprietary software doesn't just affect the person (directly) using the computer it runs on...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:16:06 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Brandon Hall ❎
     @bob @bthall ...like carbon emissions, the anti-freedom effects extend in all sorts of indirect ways...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:16:48 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Brandon Hall ❎
     @bob @bthall I use 100% software on the computers I control (where possible) but I'm still affected by the fact that most people don't
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:17:42 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Brandon Hall ❎
     @bob @bthall oops! I mean 100% *free* software
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:19:09 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Brandon Hall ❎
     @bob @bthall eg buying hardware that is free code compatible is a huge effort. Most people don't demand it, so most vendors don't sell it
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 13:46:44 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Brandon Hall ❎
     @bob @bthall fair point, but I'm raising it as an example of the way proprietary dominance affects me, even as a committed free code user