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1. ⚠nestort 🐃⚠ (nestort@quitter.no)'s status on Sunday, 08-Oct-2017 22:47:49 UTC ⚠nestort 🐃⚠

   • pettter ✅
   @pettter Interesting views, thanks for sharing! For me, as a catalan, I see independence as an opportunity to break with current Spanish government but also with current Catalan government. Hopefully (although I don't expect this to be the most probable outcome), we people will be able to push things so Catalan corrupt elites are kicked away and whatever new constitution we (not they) create, it will be much better for us all. The biggest problem is that main Spanish parties will just never allow secession, nor a legal referendum to decide on this. Therefore, if left alone, they will resort to repression (as they have already done and we'll very probably see on Tuesday).
   I hope to see a possible "creative destruction". Anyway, whatever the results, they'll be far from my ideal of social organization, closer to real anarchy, or libertarian communism or something like that. I have a lot of contradictions about it, therefore...
   • ⚠nestort 🐃⚠ (nestort@quitter.no)'s status on Sunday, 08-Oct-2017 22:55:42 UTC ⚠nestort 🐃⚠

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     • pettter ✅
     @pettter Also, I think that, should we be able to change our political organization from ground up, and therefore get out of the EU, NATO, and other international "treaties", the international mafia (this one we would have cut ties with) wouldn't just sit and watch. As a good mafia they are, they'd retaliate, so maybe we'd see a scenario like Allende's Chile... So if we can't really change that much, if independence is only allowed by the mafia as long as we stick to their rules, then what is the point for independence? Well... Maybe dignity? What price can we pay, or are willing to pay? I really don't know, I can only speak for myself. Tough but interesting times we are living right now