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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2017 03:56:05 UTC Danyl Strype

   • Bob Mottram
   • Aven
   @aven @bob @jeff domain names can only be seized because #DNS is centralized and controlled by the USA. Also not part of the web (HTTP/HTML)
   • Graham Lee (leeg@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2017 08:54:56 UTC Graham Lee
     http://qttr.at/1z8k I remember the Cocoa folks hating the Carbon folks. Then Java, Carbon again, Android, JS, and currently ObjC.
     Danyl Strype repeated this.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2017 09:23:49 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Graham Lee
     @leeg I've been guilty of regurgitating "PHP sucks" tropes passed down to me from l33t h@ck3rs I know. Such lack of mutual respect is toxic
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2017 09:24:47 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Graham Lee
     @leeg that said, my reasons for criticizing #Windows are based on ethical objections to its weaponized role in #Microsoft's business model
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2017 09:26:51 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Graham Lee
     @leeg ... and observable technical differences that really do make Windows harder for a beginner to learn and use than modern #GNU-Linux ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2017 09:28:13 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Graham Lee
     @leeg ... package management being the obvious one. Manually updating third party apps and plugins on #Windows is a true Boulder of Sisyphus
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2017 09:29:11 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Graham Lee
     @leeg I try my best to focus on helping people dual-boot and explore #GNU-Linux though, rather than heaping scorn on them for using #Windows
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2017 13:02:35 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Graham Lee
     @bob @leeg I think it's mostly criticisms of early #PHP flaws that have long since been addressed. Also people pushing their own pet tools
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2017 05:46:08 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     • Graham Lee
     @jeff @leeg @bob @aven if you're talking about "port 80 pollution" then yes, lots of internet services didn't *need* to be web services
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2017 06:07:12 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • Graham Lee
     @cwebber @bob sadly this is an example of exactly the contempt for beginners that @leeg started this conversation with.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2017 06:07:52 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • Graham Lee
     @bob @leeg @cwebber most people write with ball-point pens. To an expert calligrapher this is heresy, but most people are not experts ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2017 06:11:03 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Christine Lemmer-Webber
     • Graham Lee
     @bob @leeg @cwebber ... and finding the most optimal tool is not their goal. They just need a tool that's good enough to get things done
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2017 08:21:58 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     • Graham Lee
     @aven @leeg @bob @jeff how are you defining "the web" here? It seems like you're using it interchangeably with 'internet'?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2017 08:22:26 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     • Graham Lee
     @bob @leeg @aven @jeff is #BitTorrent part of "the web" as you're defining it?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2017 11:26:38 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     • Graham Lee
     @jeff @leeg @bob that's a fair technical definition but I'm not convinced that's what @aven is meaning by "the web". Thus the disconnect?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2017 00:57:11 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     • Graham Lee
     @aven @leeg @bob @jeff sure, but that conversation could all shift off the web to other internet services with nothing much lost
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2017 01:01:08 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     • Graham Lee
     @bob @leeg @aven @jeff your longer post seems to conflate abandoning the web with abandoning the net altogether. No one is suggesting that
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2017 11:35:07 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Graham Lee
     sorry @leeg, will untag you if this discussion continues
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2017 03:52:52 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     @aven @bob @jeff have you heard of #UseNet or the #BBS? People were having threaded discussions long before the web
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2017 03:59:57 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Bob Mottram
     • Aven
     @bob @aven @jeff I agree the web can still be taken back from corporate fascism, but worth noting the same end goal can be achieved elseways