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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 03:50:25 UTC Danyl Strype

   • tekk
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
   @lnxw48a1 @tekk there's a difference between supporting a party, and submitting to its tactical and messaging discipline, as US labour has
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 01:58:31 UTC Danyl Strype

     • tekk
     @tekk I heard a talk by Boots Riley from The Coup where he said the US labour movement demobilized during WW2 to support the war effort ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 01:59:34 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     @tekk ... and has been effectively dormant as a political force every since, allowing both the major parties to ignore it as irrelevant
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 02:02:29 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     @tekk Dems have had to appeal to the social liberal "new left", so USAmericans came to think of "left" and"liberal" as the same thing
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 02:04:01 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     @tekk ... despite the fact it's possible to be a social liberal and far-right economically ("liberal" in the older European sense)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 02:22:34 UTC Danyl Strype

     • tekk
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 @tekk I disagree. IMHO political influence comes from being able to mobilize people in large numbers, not from being a swing voter
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 02:23:22 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @tekk @lnxw48a1 example? The #NRA. The GOP know they will always have their votes, but they still hold huge influence because they mobilize
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 02:24:37 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @tekk @lnxw48a1 think of the Charlton Heston "cold dead hands" rally after the Columbine shooting. #NRA lobbyists have teeth; active members
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 02:26:22 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @tekk @lnxw48a1 when was the last time US labour organisations led anything as challenging of the establishment as the #TeaParty or #Occupy?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 02:31:22 UTC Danyl Strype

     • tekk
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 @tekk this assumes that the worst thing that can happen to a political party is losing this or that election race. It isn't.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 03:51:17 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @tekk @lnxw48a1 ... the #NRA observably support the #GOP, as being most friendly to their cause, but don't submit to its internal discipline
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 03:52:48 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • tekk
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @tekk @lnxw48a1 ... so the #NRA can extract concessions from the #GOP in a way that the unions haven't been able to with the Dems
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 03:54:54 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 to make sure #GOP do what they want, #NRA regularly flex their organisational muscles; mobilizing their people outside of #GOP
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 03:57:16 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 ... whereas the major #US unions channel their people into the Dem machine, never mobilize politically themselves ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 04:00:10 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 ... then wring their hands and wonder why the Dems take them for granted