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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2017 23:33:47 UTC Danyl Strype

   • Antanicus
   @antanicus if it results in more of the data hosting and processing happening on premises, maybe.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2017 22:53:55 UTC Danyl Strype
     "In the 1980s people stopped sharing machines ...
     http://qttr.at/20bz
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2017 22:56:06 UTC Danyl Strype

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     ... probably for the same reason that people in decades prior stopped taking buses and streetcars and instead drove cars." - Paul Ford
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2017 22:57:17 UTC Danyl Strype

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     Now we are going back to sharing machines that we are told exist in "the cloud". Could a return to mass transit be the future of transport?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2017 23:11:11 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Antanicus
     @antanicus privatization of public transport infrastructure has been underway for decades in this country, leading to
     http://qttr.at/20c2
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2017 23:43:05 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Antanicus
     @antanicus the point of the analogy is the shift from PC back to shared computing might actually be good, only the private ownership is bad
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2017 23:43:55 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus if we replaced #Google and #FarceBook with entities run like #Wikipedia and #Archive.org would the 'centralization' be a problem?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2017 01:30:42 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Antanicus
     @antanicus but isn't this also an argument against mass transit and for personal vehicles?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2017 01:50:11 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus taken to an extreme it even becomes an argument against public roads (private roading ownership being more 'decentalized') ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 25-Nov-2017 01:52:20 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus ... or even an argument against roads as a single point of failure; and for flying cars (ie private jets) as more 'decentralized'
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2017 10:33:56 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Antanicus
     @antanicus this is a fair definition of 'decentralized', but I can't see how the rest of your argument logically follows from it.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2017 10:35:32 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus communities don't get to control the local implementation of mass transit, it's determined by centralised transit authorities ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2017 10:35:50 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus ... or in some cases private companies.
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2017 10:38:47 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus each household's private vehicles implement the RDT (Road Transport Protocol) independent of other how others households do it...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2017 10:40:00 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus ... so it neatly fits your definition of 'decentralised', no?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 00:51:58 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Antanicus
     @antanicus there's nothing in your definition of 'decentralized' about "benefiting the community". That's a totally separate issue
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 00:53:15 UTC Danyl Strype

     • Antanicus
     @antanicus or maybe we could just accept the self-evident fact that centralized can sometimes be better than decentralized?
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 00:57:14 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus after all centralization vs. decentralization is only one criteria. There's also public vs. private, democratic vs. elite etc
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 01:02:44 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus coming back to the distribution of computing, which is where we started this discussion ...
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 01:04:06 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus what we're looking at is the distribution of two different things; processing and responsibility. The "cloud" centralizes both
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 01:05:35 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus "self-hosting" using leased access to datacentres decentralizes sysadmin responsibility while still centralizing processing
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 01:06:45 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus self-hosting using one's own hardware decentralizes both processing and sysadmin responsibilities, but with a loss of resilience
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 01:08:20 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus if your hardware fails (or your sysadmin skills) your services go down and/or data is lost. Datacentres provide many redundancies
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 01:09:52 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus so a publicly-owned, democratically-run datacentre might be a better model than full decentralization (self-hosting at home)
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 01:11:02 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus how many people, even among passionate software freedom geeks, self-host on their own hardware and pipe? Not many, if any
   • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2017 23:35:39 UTC Danyl Strype

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     • Antanicus
     @antanicus but tools like #IPFS would be just as useful for distributing storage and processing between cooperatively-owned datacentres