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@GinnyMcQueen said "If you hear people speaking of their friendship with Nazis - they are Nazis." Rubbish.
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Normal people don't pick or drop their friends based on political categories and affilations that can change radically over time
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@jeremiah just speaking from experience. I had friends at high school that were attracted to neo-nazi ideas, for a complex range of reasons.
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@jeremiah if I had de-friended them, the appeal would only have increased, because they would have had fewer alternatives to consider
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@jeremiah at one point I debated the ringleader (an older guy), and years later ran into him dancing to hip-hop in a very non-white club ;P
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@boneidol it's more difficult yes. But true friendship is about sticking with people through the rough as well as the smooth
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@boneidol don't get me wrong, nobody has to tolerate being abused, and sometimes you've got to cut your losses and avoid certain people
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@boneidol but I guess I see befriending and deprogramming bigots as one way I can use my white-male-straight-cys privilege for good
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@boneidol I'm not talking about joining nazi groups. Just being friends with people, even when they get keen on weird, scary ideas ...
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@boneidol ... and being one of the voices of reason in their lives that help them get over their interest in those weird, scary ideas
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@boneidol it's not healthy for every relationship in a person's life to be treated as a political alliance requiring doctrinal purity
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@woozle @boneidol the same has been said about Marxism (John Birch Society), anarchism (Leninism), religion (Maoists), zionism (by Nazis).
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@boneidol @woozle I'm no fan of dehumanization and re-education camps, and I'm no political ally of anyone who advocate for them
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@boneidol what do you mean by "identity relationship"?
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@woozle we're not talking about "behaviours" but *opinions*. Big difference. Only one can harm people (bonus points for guessing which one)
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@woozle historically, anarchists have done all of those things. Should my friend abandon me because I'm an anarchist?
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@woozle and yes, if a friend of mine joined a gang, of course I would stay friends with them, and be a portal out of it if the see the light
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@woozle also being soneone's friend is *not* the same thing as supporting their political position. That's my whole point.
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@woozle you must live a sad and lonely life in your purist political bubble. I feel sorry for you. It's good you have the #fediverse
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@woozle yes, that's what a friend would do. You're making some very cynical assumptions about the possible outcomes. Why?
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@woozle BTW hyprebolic rhetoric and strawman arguments are also the tactics of someone who knows they don't have a case to make.
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@woozle why is it so important to you to make me and anyone else who doesn't instantly bow to your doctrine into Bond villains?
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@woozle 1st I attacked nobody. Second, what? How does that logically follow from anything I've said?
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@woozle and you, my friend, are tilting at windmills, and wasting my time and your own. I'll leave you to it.
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@woozle As I said, I've had friends who became Nazis, then stopped being Nazis. Her comment called me a Nazi. I explained why she was wrong
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@woozle please explain what part of that was an "attack", and which part a "strawman"? I'll happily give you a few posts to do it in
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@awg yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion I'd come to ("admit it, you're corneed), thus my parting statement above :)
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@boneidol Ah! (maths dunce here). Indeed, the idea that there is a consistent "self" is intuitive but hard to rationally justify