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  1. ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:11:20 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

    How the Liberal Left created the Conservative Right and extremism in the fediverse:

    As someone who cares greatly about equality, and recognizes minorities and underprivileged groups deal with some unique and difficult struggles I realize the title to this post would seem a bit inflammatory. But that is not my intention, my intention is to address a very real problem.

    As anyone on the fediverse knows there are generally two major groups of instances. Those that wont ban anything of any kind, no rules it's the wild west (red instances). Then there are those that ban anyone who shares any opinion that disagrees with their politics, even if you criticise both the left and the right in the same breath you will likely quickly find the instance or yourself banned.

    However the unfortunate consequence of this pattern of behavior is to promote ever increasing support for red instances and to drive grey instances (instances that take a middle ground) into being red instances. Should be obvious why...

    You basically have a spectrum of behavior with red on one side and blue on the other. With everyone crammed into the 0.1% of either end of this spectrum that means most new instances will start off, most likely, somewhere in the grey area, even if their just marginally shy of being red or blue in its full extreme.

    The experience for an admin of such an instance is to quickly be overwhelmed with people from blue instances blocking and banning for things like criticising a democratic politician or something rather minor. By the end of the first few months a blue/left leaning instance will quickly find itself on dozens of suspend or ban instances as a result and find they only have a voice among the 99% red instances and the 1% grey instances out there.

    Since this means they naturally wont have a voice among blue instances, and most people are on social media because they want to be social, this means their only incentive is to appeal to red instances (since that's where all their boosts and likes come from). Along with building animosity for how blue instances treat them and with the acceptance of red instances you will find all the incentive for the instances to move to be an extremist red instance with extremist no-rule policies quickly develop.

    As such we see exactly what we are seeing now on the fediverse, an ever increasing number of red instances very quickly overwhelming and overtaking the blue instances.

    Of course this is made worse by the fact that those ont he blue instances can only see other blue instances. so they will be under the mistaken impression that the red instances don't exist and that the blue instances are thriving and growing and dominating over the red instances. This ignorance just ensures the red instances grow unchecked and unchallenged.

    As someone who's personal policy is anti-extremism, and with this pattern being one that generates extremism it is very VERY concerning to me.

    #mastodon #fediverse #uspol #extremism #mastoadmin

    In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:11:20 UTC from qoto.org permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ, ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ and ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ and 4 others repeated this.
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:14:52 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Meachamus Prime โœ๏ธ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘งโ€๐Ÿ‘ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐ŸŽฎ๐Ÿฅ‹

      @Meachamus_Prime Yup, sounds about right. Afterall if blue instances ban you it ensures your new users come more from the red than the blue.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:14:52 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:22:30 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • M. K. Fain

      @mk The worst part is they are such over the top extreme about it that even if you simply dont block a server that is blocked that is cause enough to block you.

      Apparently now if your grandmother's, cousin's best friend's dog is a nazi that makes you a nazi too.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:22:30 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:34:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Alonealastalovedalongthe

      @Alonealastalovedalongthe Well the best place to get those numbers (the place I get them from) is looking at the user statistics and growth rate across the red instances.

      When i look across the user growth rate charts for various red instances I notice a very marked increase in users. You also notice during periods of campaign to block red instances the user count rate on those increases in the time that follows.

      I agree that is hardly scientific, but there are no scientific papers obviously to argue either side on this. As such its the best I have to draw my conclusions from.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:34:43 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:35:38 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Alonealastalovedalongthe

      @Alonealastalovedalongthe Are you an instance admin. It happens at the instance level not the personal level. So I really wouldn't expect you to personally experience it unless you are an instance admin.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:35:38 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:51:36 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Alonealastalovedalongthe

      @Alonealastalovedalongthe I never said it was true of the left overall. Only of blue instances in the fediverse. I'd also go so far as to say its true of most of te left from america (but america is known for its extremism).

      I live in the Netherlands, I'm dutch, the left here do NOT appear to be the sort of extremists we see here from blue instances in the fediverse.

      I'd discourage you from generalizing what I say to the left outside of the areas I specifically addressed. I know **many** left leaning people who are very rational. They just tend to avoid blue instances on the fediverse is all.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:51:36 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:53:17 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Alonealastalovedalongthe

      @Alonealastalovedalongthe As for making a case, I agree, it might be useful. But I have limited time. I am a Research scientist with more than enough papers in my quota already.

      Moreover I would suspect it will fall on deaf ears. The blue instances guilty of the behavior arent likely to be receptive to such evidence. In fact they would likely twist it into evidence of me being right leaning (which i am not) and even go so far as to use it against me as is their MO.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:53:17 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:58:11 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Alonealastalovedalongthe

      @Alonealastalovedalongthe Here is an example of such extremism from blue instances (since you said you were unaware of it happening). In this case a blue instance is calling for a ban on any instance which has anyone from that instance even following someone from another instance. Nothing to do with opinions or even politics. Just being able to hear what someone else says is enough to warrant a ban these days.

      So apparently if some user from 2 years ago signed up and followed someone from that domain, then stopped using that account, it means our entire domain should be blocked...

      It is shocking to me that with this pattern being as pervasive as it is that you dont see it.

      https://cybre.space/@mirzaba/102719771245949245

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 01:58:11 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:02:50 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      in reply to

      Shortly after posting this I had this pop up in my feed on an unrelated thread. Fitting!

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:02:50 UTC permalink

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    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:09:25 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Johnny of the Swamp
      • Alonealastalovedalongthe

      @Johnny_of_the_swamp

      Who the person calling for the ban? Yea the issue is that it is common behavior these days in the fediverse.

      @Alonealastalovedalongthe

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:09:25 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:25:22 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • M. K. Fain

      @mk Yup makes you exactly equivalent to Hitler lol

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:25:22 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:37:37 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • GNU/r000t

      @r000t Sad and so typical.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:37:37 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:46:59 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      in reply to

      I posted this as a main post here, going to repeat it here because it is relevant:

      https://qoto.org/@freemo/102720620029876902

      I had an idea and a proposal for an anti-censorship cooperative among the free speech instances. It is just an idea, not sure if i support it yet. but would be curious to hear any feedback.. the idea goes something like this.

      Any instance can get into the cooperative so long as they pledge to a few rules

      1) personal suspensions and silencing is permitted.

      2) Ban circumvention will not be allowed and enforced. If a person from one instance blocks someone and makes it clear they do not wish to be contacted, and a user creates another account to circumvent this personal block then that user will be banned.

      3) no instance is allowed to suspend any other instance within the cooperative.

      4) any server that suspends/blocks any instance inside the cooperative must be blocked/suspended by all other members of the cooperative in response.

      5) any instance not following these rules will be kicked out of the cooperative.

      The purpose here would be to ensure that any instance which has a policy of frivolously blocking other instances without due process or cause will be punished by loosing their voice throughout the larger federated community.

      #fediverse #mastodon #mastoadmin

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:46:59 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:52:40 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @RevilerD

      Thats sad they drove you to that. My advice would be to be the bigger man and not succumb to it.

      @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:52:40 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:55:13 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @nerthos

      If you respond to savagery with savagery the end result is just more savagery, not less.

      @RevilerD @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:55:13 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:58:00 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @nerthos

      Depends on which way they are "out for your life", the response would be very situational.

      @RevilerD @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 02:58:00 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:02:04 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @nerthos

      So are you more worried about how to respond to pre-crime of what they may one day maybe possibly do.. or are you asking me how to address something they are currently actively doing? The response to each is different.

      If your concern is about how they might behave int he future, then there is time, and your goal is to ensure you defuse that future as much as possible. If you are agressive, ugly, and hostile then all your doing is giving strength to their movement. You are giving them a valid face of the enemy. You are ensuring the very future you wish to prevent (just as they are ensuring the same future with their own actions). So with that intention it is a very flawed tactic.

      @RevilerD @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:02:04 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:07:08 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @nerthos

      The end result of such a policy is to quickly accelerate their growth and power, not diminish it. Particularly since its a metaphor for words and not a literal proposal of violence.

      @RevilerD @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:07:08 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:11:08 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @nerthos can't imagine that helping matters honestly. violence is never the answer.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:11:08 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:20:46 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @nerthos The problem is by taking this tactic and opinion the only result is ensuring your own extermination, that isnt victory.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:20:46 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:27:12 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @nerthos They will, if you behave in a way intending to incite violence out them, like you claim, you will bolster their numbers and support and ultimately ensure they will, in fact win.

      Since you were encouraging violence I'd argue they **should** win against any who encourage violence by the very nature of violence.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:27:12 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:31:48 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @nerthos Im not sure that would work either. People are, mostly, sheep. they support whatever side they perceive to be more powerful. By pretending to be weaker than you are you would only result in more people favoring the other side as well.

      I dont think manipulative tactics really work too well here.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:31:48 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:34:01 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • M. K. Fain

      @alexa

      Yup, 100%

      @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:34:01 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:36:18 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @nerthos Nah, they just pretend its racially defined. I am partly NAtive American and that has in no way made me immune from their attacks.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:36:18 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:45:07 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @jack

      No what I claimed is if you take specifically the tactic he suggested (you inciting violence through the use of violence) you will loose.

      My argument implies that if you yourself are peaceful and the other side largely more violent than the peaceful side will win presuming the numbers are mostly equal.

      So hidden in my argument is the exact opposite of what you saw.

      @nerthos

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:45:07 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:53:25 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @jack

      Quite simply because virtually all of the popularity of the left hings on the narrative that the right incites violence and hate. This in its current form has generated a huge amount of support for the left. Some people, those int he middle, dismiss it because they personally might feel they havent seen such violence and it isnt justified.

      If your response is to actually be violent, now youve turned an accusation with little reality to it into truth. Not only will the embolden the current supporters but will also prove their message to be true. Anyone ont he fence about the issue will now be polarized to the left in response to your violence and ensured your own loss.

      @nerthos

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:53:25 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:57:17 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @nerthos

      We are actually arguing on a bit of a tangent. I originally thought youw ere proposing to respond with violence. Which is what we are discussing now. I do recognize that was a misunderstanding and you were proposing something else instead. But we are already lost on this tangent :)

      @jack

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:57:17 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:58:31 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus

      @alexa

      Agreed, violence is not an exclusive feature of either side.

      @jack @nerthos

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:58:31 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:59:21 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Inditoot :devious_horns_ms:

      @inditoot I was thinking of using technology rather than humans to do that. A plugin which each site int eh federation runs that ensures the rules i mentioned are enforced and if they arent all members of the federation would know it.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 03:59:21 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:02:02 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @alexa Gab does not enforce ban evasion policy. As such Gab would be eligible to join the federation in the first place. If Gab agreed to follow the rules of the federation then no one int he federation would be allowed to block gab at an instance level. But since gab is unlikely to ever take a stance against ban evasion they are unlikely to ever be allowed into such a federation.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:02:02 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:04:01 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @alexa The issue is as it stands right now there is incentive to ban every instance you come along that someone else bans.. instances are banning other instances simple for not banning instances. This has led to pressure to either ban instances or get yourself ejected from the fediverse.

      We need a system of cooperation that applies the same pressures in reverse. A system that ensures that if you do not ban people you will have a voice but if you do ban instances that dont violate the rules, then you would suffer by a global ban and thus be discouraged from such behavior.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:04:01 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:04:32 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Inditoot :devious_horns_ms:

      @inditoot Yea I dont trust humans do be in control of this :)

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:04:32 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:19:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade I am dutch, not american. I agree it is an american view and in large mostly applies to americans, europeaners rarely fit these descriptions.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:19:43 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:20:52 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade Also im actually very well read on anarcho-syndicalist it is a well known theory. So no worries there. When i talk about left and right i do mean neo-liberals and not general liberalism.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:20:52 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:23:31 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade Oh and yes i do agree in the wider world the conservative right is as much to blame for extremism as the left. they do feed off each other.

      The thing is as someone who is neither extreme, in the fediverse, I tend to get a lot more hate day to day from the left than the right, simply for being moderate.

      True when i was in america too.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:23:31 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:26:23 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade The red blue split is actually fediverse lingo, it originates from japanese servers not USA ones. Red servers are ones that have porn, in the form of animations/drawings of underage kids, Blue servers are servers that block red servers for doing so.

      This language in the fediverse evolved along lines of red and blue where red refers to non-moderated instances and blue refers to heavily moderated instances.

      The lingo has never had anything to do with politics.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:26:23 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:45:41 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade I am not saying i support the practice. I am just giving you the etymology as to how the two phrases came to be.

      I read a few articles by native japanese on the issue. apparently the vast majority of japanese (according to these articles at least) do not see cartoons of underage children in sexualized or pornographic settings as being equivalent to child porn or even remotely related to it.

      As a cultural thing they see it as not even worthy of being an issue in general (it is perfectly legal there and accepted publicly generally).

      This is in contrast to the fact that actual child porn of actual people is considered completely unacceptable, illegal, and would get you shunned by society.

      Again not saying i agree with the cultural perspective, but it appears to a japanese person they view this issue very differently than other cultures might.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:45:41 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:51:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade I wouldnt presume to speak for them. But we arent talking about something exclusive to men. Both small boys and small girls are depicted and both men and women in japan seem to be interested in it (as im sure both groups are oppsosed to it)...

      But I am no expert on it, so I'd be hesitant to push a perspective more so than that. I am mostly just relaying what I have read on the issue. It seems largely both men and women in japan dont see it as an issue. Again assuming the articles I read can be trusted.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:51:43 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:53:46 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade The instances have red or blue in their domain name.. but the term has evolved past anything to do with porn.

      There are many instances who consider themselves red instances who have explicit policies to block child porn now. So largely it has turned into its own term.

      For example null.red as far as i can tell is a largely pro-LGBT server. but because they have limited moderation they likely picked the red in their domain name.

      I would imagine they would, however, block child porn as they are somewhat moderated

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 04:53:46 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 05:00:00 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade While im sure many women arent ok with it, im not sure that can apply to all. As i said some women are very into it it seems (based on the articles i was reading)

      I mean i could undertand if you think they are just saying its ok to get along. But then why do some women there buy the cartoons, or collect them? Their pattern of behavior seems to suggest many women dont just tolerate it but seek it out. Just as many men do.

      As for porn in general. I dunno, I can think of three ex's who would always insist on taking me to the strip club. I dont do strip clubs myself, never had much of an interest, but they were ALL about it. They found it fun. These are women who considered themselves feminists too.

      I'm not sure all women really feel the same as you is all. I'm not saying your wrong or that your feelings are invalid. Just saying I know plenty of women who behave contrary to what you suggest.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 05:00:00 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 05:07:57 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Darwi Odrade

      @darwi_odrade fair, I dont know enough of the cuture to agree or disagree

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 05:07:57 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 05:42:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Vegan Renaissance

      @VeganRenaissance Huh? What word do you think is a better choice?

      I dont think "fediverse" makes anyone sound smart. Its just the word that describes what it is. As far as I know there are no other alternative words.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 05:42:43 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 07:26:37 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • kline ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ

      @kline accurate

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 07:26:37 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 07:28:54 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • kline ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ

      @kline Yup pretty much

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 07:28:54 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 08:11:00 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @p The issue that needs addressing is that a policy where others block you as punishment for not blocking others will proliferate. If you silence other instance you cant hear them but they can hear you. so if your interest is having a voice there is no downside to silencing other instances but incentive to do so (as to prevent yourself from being blocked).

      The end result of this is that instances that otherwise might not care will get ont he block train just so they themselves dont get blocked.

      So unless I dont feel that simply being transparent will resolve the issue. We need to use the same tactic in return.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 08:11:00 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:28:20 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl
      • Inditoot :devious_horns_ms:

      @Wolf480pl

      Thats why if people like the idea I would solve it via a mastodon code change rather than through human process. Anyone running the modified code can chose to join aany cooperative where they obey the conditions (dont currently block any members of said cooperative).

      If any instance int he cooperative bans any other all members of the cooperative would be notified and perhaps the software would even automatically respond by defederating.

      @inditoot

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:28:20 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:32:41 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl
      • Inditoot :devious_horns_ms:

      @Wolf480pl

      Also it wouldnt be something that would be public perse or knowable to the outside. It may be that only those within the cooperative have access to that information.

      @inditoot

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:32:41 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:36:27 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl
      • Inditoot :devious_horns_ms:

      @Wolf480pl

      Thats where the modified code comes in. Anything in the cooperative would need the modified code. So if someone in the cooperative blocks another instance since both are int he cooperative and both would be running the modified code both instances would be aware of the block.

      @inditoot

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:36:27 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:41:51 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl
      • Inditoot :devious_horns_ms:

      @Wolf480pl

      I considered that, and there are ways to address that to varrying degrees.

      1) The most secure solution would work by each server in the federation spoofing a user on others servers int he federation. While this does still require the servers to cooperate (open registration mechanisms and such) it means that a server wouldnt be able to tell the difference between one of its own users and a spoofed user used to detect bans. As such even modifying their internal code wouldnt prevent detection.

      2) work on a simpler good faith method. Basically if and when a server is found to violate the agreement the domain becomes permanently blocked. Otherwise trust the code is running as expected

      @inditoot

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:41:51 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:43:19 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl

      @Wolf480pl Well I guess depends. I am refering to the subset of the liberal left which happens to be authoritarian. But on the fediverse (unlike in the real world) that does feel like a majority of the left.

      But i agree we arent talking about the left as a whole here, just the ones who act the way I speak of, which is a large percentage sadly.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:43:19 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:48:52 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl

      @Wolf480pl Ohh i see what your saying. I think your confusing classical liberals (they largely dont exist in modern society) with neo-liberals (what we usually mean by liberal these days). Same for conservatives, im referring to neo-conservatives.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:48:52 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:52:52 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl

      @Wolf480pl Yea i dont like the wording either but its what people understand.. .classical liberal = libertarian .. neo-liberal = democrat (sorta)

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:52:52 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:58:03 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl

      @Wolf480pl well democrats are more an example of neo-liberals than a definition.

      Generally a neo-liberal are groups that are willing to use strict series of laws in order to force people to behave in ways that are intended (though often fail) to make people care more about underprivileged groups.

      In theory its a fine idea, in practice it doesnt work out so well in a lot of cases.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 12:58:03 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 13:21:45 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Wolf480pl

      @Wolf480pl ahhh :)

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 13:21:45 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 16:37:50 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Rovine(QOTO)

      @Rovine Awww thanks, that really means a lot to me :) I am more than happy to take the brunt of the abuse if i can help protect you all from it.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 16:37:50 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 18:42:14 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @RevilerD

      Nope I solved the problem already. I moved out of America. We have one of the worst presidents we ever had, and a democratic side that is even worse than that.

      There was nothing good left in america once trump got elected so I bailed.

      Best decision I ever made. Best yet, no need to compromise civility, or maturity. Out here those qualities still work well.

      @nerthos @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 18:42:14 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 18:43:28 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • Katze Kattepus
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @RevilerD

      One form of savagery winning and being forced to live in savagery is in no way a desirable outcome. If those are my only choices I'd rather the entire human race come to an end and do us all a favor.

      @nerthos @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 18:43:28 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2019 18:44:30 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • M. K. Fain
      • RevilerD

      @RevilerD

      Good bye, You have just proven yourself a disgusting human being whom I have no reason to continue talking with.

      Have a good day.

      @mk

      In conversation Monday, 02-Sep-2019 18:44:30 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 09:45:11 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @igeljaeger I mostly agree but i also sympathize with how they got that way. Many of these instances are pro-trans communities. They have been treated quite brutally by many and have become hurt, defensive, and lash out. While their behaviors arent right I can still have some sympathy for how it came to be.

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 09:45:11 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 09:49:17 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @igeljaeger Some people can go to war and come back a sane person, most do not. Just because some people have exceptional strength of character is no reason for me to withdraw my earlier compassion for those who dont.

      I'm not saying it is right, or even justified. Only that I have compassion for what they went through. I feel sorry for them more than anything that trauma has gotten the best of them.

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 09:49:17 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 09:57:48 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • opal hart

      @igeljaeger

      I do not have anyone blocked, my server does not silence or suspend any other servers. However for some reason I do not see their replies.

      @wowaname

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 09:57:48 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:00:30 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @opal

      Ok, this reply I did see, weird.

      @igeljaeger

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:00:30 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:05:05 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @igeljaeger My empathy is universal. It exists regardless of pity or respect. The fact that i pity them is not why i have empathy for them. I would have had that anyway.

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:05:05 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:08:41 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • opal hart

      @wowaname

      Weird even when i explicitly go to this message in QOTO it doesnt appear to be a reply but a stand alone post. Anyway....

      Some may very well be doing it because it is trendy. Though I see no reason to presume that everyone who appears to be suffering from PTSD for being trans must therefore automatically be doing it to be trendy. That seems like a huge leap.

      There is also the factor of passability. A person who is trans and very passable for the other sex is likely to experience far less assault than someone who is less passable. So it is understandable that not all trans people would have the same experiences or the same trauma either.

      @igeljaeger

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:08:41 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:19:50 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • opal hart

      @wowaname @igeljaeger That is generally true, and I dont deny it. But my point is, even if you are being trans as a trend the trauma is still just as real.

      If people are beating you, attacking your, threatening your life, and saying disgusting and hurtful things every day (what I have personally witnessed happened to every non-passable trans person I've seen in public)... well trend or not that will give you some PTSD.

      Point is these are two separate issues.

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:19:50 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:27:37 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • opal hart

      @wowaname @igeljaeger When did I make the claim that it "excuses" anything? I said I had sympathy and compassion for why they behave the way they are.

      Having compassion for someone is NOT even remotely related to excusing someones actions.

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:27:37 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:45:25 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • opal hart

      @wowaname @igeljaeger Well considering their trauma is because the world actively makes life more difficult for them it would make sense to me why they might feel the same about us.

      I can't change how they respond, but I can change how I respond to break that cycle.

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:45:25 UTC permalink
      ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ repeated this.
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:50:31 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
      • opal hart

      @wowaname @igeljaeger btw still don't see your replies. Have to go to your profile and refresh to catch it.

      In conversation Tuesday, 03-Sep-2019 10:50:31 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2019 08:11:14 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @redneonglow I never claimed they created pro-free speach. I claim they pushed everyone who wasnt extremist left to the extreme right. Huge difference in statements.

      There used to be a few isolated instances that were free speech. Some were fulled with disgusting material, others were actually more respectable, and there was a complete spectrum.

      The left ensure everyone in the middle slowly gets pushed farther and farther to the right as they all collect there.

      I agree the concept of the fediverse is not left-friendly to begin with. It has only because left or right oriented through culture not technology alone.

      But yea I do agree the fediverse is probably not well suited for people who are pro-censorship in the extreme.

      In conversation Saturday, 07-Sep-2019 08:11:14 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Jan-2020 09:53:22 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @fireglow I think blocking as individuals is the way to go, bocking at an instance level, not so much... then you are just like them

      In conversation Wednesday, 15-Jan-2020 09:53:22 UTC permalink
    • ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Jan-2020 10:02:38 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 ๐ŸŽ“ Dr. Freemo :jpf: ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

      @fireglow Its valid, if i werent a moderator id have personal bans on these extremist instances too

      In conversation Wednesday, 15-Jan-2020 10:02:38 UTC permalink

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