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1. Ruby Rhod (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2019 12:46:31 UTC Ruby Rhod

   • Ruby Rhod
   ICE vehicles:
   
   * We burn fossil fuels to extract fossil fuels
   * It requires about 6kWh of electricity to refine a gallon of gasoline, much of that electricity coming from fossil fuel burning power generation
   * Factories pollute a bunch during the creation of the raw materials and then the general assembly
   * We burn a ton of fossil fuels to ship the crude oil
   * Oil pipelines leak too
   * We burn a ton of fossil fuels to truck the gasoline to gas stations
   * Lots of gasoline is lost due to evaporation (est 5000 metric tons per day according to my googles)
   * The cars burn fossil fuels to drive and require oil changes
   * Where does the oil go? lulz (recycling, but have you ever seen the spillage at an oil recycling center?)
   
   
   EV vehicles:
   
   * We burn fossil fuels to extract fossil fuels
   * Factories pollute a bunch during the creation of the raw materials and then the general assembly (including batteries)
   * We burn a ton of fossil fuels to ship the crude oil
   * Oil pipelines leak too
   * Electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels in much of the country
   * Electricity is transported with wires
   * You charge/fill up with some conversion losses, but it likely has less of an impact than the overhead of evaporating gasoline (someone with lots of free time should try to math this and make it their thesis or something)
   * Where do the spent batteries go? lulz (recycling or reuse is possible in many cases)
   
   
   EVs aren't going to magically save the planet but it's a reduction in our footprint in many areas. It's obvious that they're cleaner.
   
   Easier to audit 10,000 power plants and some factories than 1 billion tailpipes.
   • Ruby Rhod (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2019 12:57:00 UTC Ruby Rhod

     • Jerry Bell
     @jerry ~30% on ICE and about 3-5% on EV.