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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 01:36:22 UTC Bernie

   Fedora 31 entered final freeze, and looks like it will be a smooth release. #linux

   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/31/Schedule

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 01:36:50 UTC Bernie

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     I've been testing rawhide on my laptop for a few months now, and it's been stable and usable for the entire time (though I'm using #KDE instead of Gnome).

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 01:41:34 UTC Bernie

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     If you had previously tried Fedora and got a bad experience, it's time for another look.

     I think Fedora hits the sweet spot between shipping up-to-date software (like Arch) *and* being reasonably usable out of the box (like Ubuntu).

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 02:12:47 UTC Bernie

     • Alastair M. D. Touw

     @amdt No, I've seen to many failed attempts to modularize Fedora.

     What I would really want is effective sandboxing for desktop apps, so if there's a hole in my email client it can't be used to read my entire home directory and snoop my password as I type it into ssh.

     flatpak has bubblewrap, but packagers get to choose the permissions and users don't get to see them... which makes it somewhat ineffective 🙂

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 02:16:57 UTC Bernie

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     • Alastair M. D. Touw

     @amdt
     Until Linux desktops deliver an Android-like security model, I don't feel like installing 3rd-party blobs on my system.

     And even after that, I'm still more comfortable installing an rpm from the Fedora repository, knowing that it's been built from signed sources in a secure build farm.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 02:22:09 UTC Bernie

     • Elias Mårtenson

     @loke I've been meaning to give it a try.

     How well does it work in practice? Does it address 3D acceleration, fonts, clipboard, drag & drop, sound, removable media, and all the other little things that must work in a regular desktop?

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 02:34:29 UTC Bernie

     • Elias Mårtenson

     @loke The trouble with fonts in flatpak is that apps are linked to different versions of fontconfig, and they don't understand the system's font matching configuration if they're too old.

     In practice this results in users asking why they can't see color emojis in an app installed via flatpak, or why another app doesn't use the same font size of the desktop.

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2019 02:36:58 UTC Bernie

     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Alastair M. D. Touw

     @amdt @loke but the gap has largely been closed by dnf and various improvements in the repo metadata...

     I don't see much of a difference any more.