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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 17:50:38 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • Rob G.

   @design_RG well im not sure why being part of a on-topic instance gets you any more exposure to the community there. Several of the masto apps allow you to view the timelines of remote instances not just your own local one. As such you can view that timeline and interact just as if you were local to that instance.

   I generally find interacting with people across instances is just as welcome as the local instance and dont find it to be a barrier.

   I do understand your desire to seperate out your personas so you can say something in one instance with some degree of anonymity, and I can see why that would be appealing to some people, but I dont think it is the default for many of us, nor should it be unless you have a need for it.

   I myself take a very different view, I dont try to get along with people or avoid touchy topics. I am trying to build a community of people who are mature and respectful so we can disagree on difficult and emotional topics and still get along and be friends, thats always been my goal. So that is a bit contrary to the need to keep topics aligned with ones own views to avoid conflict, in fact I want a space where we have many different views.

   I think it may be just my nature. I despite at my core echo chambers, and would hate being in an environment that shares my political views or any other set of views. I want an environment where people disagree with me, actively, and we have impassioned debates where everyone still respects the other in the end.

   I dont want to avoid the toxicity of twitter and other platforms, I want to cure it.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 17:21:13 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.

     @design_RG I have to somewhat disagree, and I think this stems from a difference in how you use the platform.

     Myself and many people here use QOTO as our only social media outlet, intentionally so. As such we want to express the full range of ideas that comes with that. The intention was never, and is not, to fill the local feed with STEM oriented content, but rather to feel the feed with content from STEM professionals and those interested in STEM, these are very different things.

     It is more about the caliber of the people we interact with, and the way in which they reason about the world (less drama, more appeal to fact) than it is about the subject matter.

     I suspect you take a very unusual approach (and one I dont wish to take myself and I dont recommend for others). That is, you create multiple accounts across multiple instances and see each one as satisfying a theme or need. Thats fine of course and if thats how you wish to use the platform by all means, do it.

     But I dont think that should really be the approach. I have always said that QOTO is a general instance for STEM professionals, and not a STEM instance for general people. I think it makes way more sense for most of us to call one place home and minimize the noise we see from other sources.

     But more importantly I think people should pick instances based on two things, the quality of the people on the instance, and the rules for moderation on that instance. Topics are not for instances, they are for hashtags, thats how I see it.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 17:41:13 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.

     @design_RG I think a good solution would be if we had either filtered local feeds by topic, or a federated-only way to post.

     The big issue with unlisting general posts is that it means it wont go to the federated feed so it wont be seen by the majority of the fediverse. It is this reason that i keep most of my posts public, not so much for the local feed but also to get it int he federated feed.

     I also have to say, for me, I like the general posts in local. I consider the people here, all of them, as close friends. I like to hear when they feel down, or up, or what they are up to today

     We ultimately make our own etiquette, I think its good to consider the journalists suggestions (I think i read the same article as you a while back), but I simply dont agree with them. But thats my opinion, what matters is the opinion of the community.

     I can see the merit of your point of view, but I'm not sure "topic" is the best way to determine what is or is not appropriate for the local feed.

     I will say this, i do think its fair to self-moderate what you put into the local feed, I just dont think that should be topic based. For example if you find yourself posting automated messages that announce what music your listening to, that should absolutely be unlisted (And is required to be unlisted as a rule), but im not sure by-topic is appropriate restriction.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 18:00:47 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.

     @design_RG If you respond to your own initial post with a follow up, even as public, it wont show up in the local feed anyway. Making it unlisted as far as I know has no effect effectively as replies dont even federate into the federated feed.

     I think in the casse of foreign languages there is a very valid case to be considered

     I do agree though that people should try not to blast away the local feed too rapidly. Though i dont think thast has ever really been a problem for us has it?

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 18:02:19 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Rob G.

     @design_RG My only objection to whatyou stated was the bit about people reducing their general posting.. I do agree rapid succession may be rude, I just dont want to discourage people from making off-topic posts in any sense or to start thinking of QOTO as an on-topic space, thats all.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 18:16:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.

     @design_RG Perhaps if you DM me the people you silence i might have a better idea?

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 18:24:54 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Rob G.

     @design_RG I amanged to drive the first guy away at least.. that was part of the intent by that point... what is MH?

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2019 18:28:59 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • arteteco
     • DaveTLV
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     • Rob G.

     @design_RG het @arteteco and @mngrif and @Surasanji check out this whole thread . Rob is likedly go sin nomination soon and we will be having a vote on if we want to accept him in as a mod or not. This post here seems to express some of his views that are relevant and I think it is useful if you guys read it over so you can get a sense of where he wants to take us.

     In many ways its the perfect thread for a nominee.

   • arteteco (arteteco@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2019 09:09:57 UTC arteteco

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     • Rob G.

     @freemo @design_RG

     This was a very dense topic. I managed to read most of it, but I'm still having a hard time figuring out the core of the discussion,

     I don't think we should invite users to not list posts. We could invite them to not public posts at a 3 seconds rate, but that's it.

     Also, about STEM, I'm totally with freemo. I study in a scientific field, I am in a lab most of the week, but when I write here I don't feel like always talking about it.
     I just like to know that the people in the instance are somewhat similar to me, as an approach to things, the sense of humor, the sensibility in general. That doesn't mean the ideas, the opinions, the alignment at all, but the approach we can use to talk about it. It's like the coffee machine outside of the lab.

     Also I think that posts about etiquette should be shorter, I have a hard time going through all this messages =D

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   • Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc: (shibaprasad@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 14-Dec-2019 09:31:13 UTC Shibaprasad B :liverpoolfc:

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     • arteteco
     • Rob G.

     @arteteco @freemo @design_RG

     "I just like to know that the people in the instance are somewhat similar to me, as an approach to things, the sense of humor, the sensibility in general. That doesn't mean the ideas, the opinions, the alignment at all, but the approach we can use to talk about it. It's like the coffee machine outside of the lab."

     Perfectly summed up there!

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