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1. 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 11:22:56 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • Casey Rollins :verified: 🔵

   @realcaseyrollins As long as you are equally accepting of the pride of non-straights then I'd have no issue with a shirt like this.

   My problem is for many, and perhaps this includes you, it would be done to mock gay pride or to be antagonistic towards it. If that is the intent thent here is an issue.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 11:49:57 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Casey Rollins :verified: 🔵

     @realcaseyrollins Certainly nothing wrong with that. But would you be celebrating it if the LGBT community werent celebrating theirs. Is it reactive (not that its a bad thing if it is, but if so one needs to ask why it prompted a reaction at all)

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 11:58:22 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Casey Rollins :verified: 🔵

     @realcaseyrollins Well thats just it, simply being proud of ones sexuality as a straight person is perfectly fine. But LGBT pride is not a reaction to straight pride (which was not really a thing). It was largely a reaction to LGBT hate historically.

     The reason they are treated different isnt due to the pride itself but the motivation behind expressing the pride. An LGBT person has pride because of their fight against oppression. A straight person has pride (usually, and in this case) merely as a reaction to LGBT pride.

     So obviously the straight pride will be met with far more judgement due to the nature and origin of the pride.

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 12:42:43 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Casey Rollins :verified: 🔵

     @realcaseyrollins No rush, take your time

   • 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Dec-2019 14:04:09 UTC 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     • Casey Rollins :verified: 🔵

     @realcaseyrollins No I do not mean do you accept it as legitimate.

     So to understand, regardless of your excuse, you think it is morally wrong to be prideful of being LGBT but think its perfectly ok for you to be prideful of being straight.

     If that is the case you are 100% morally defunct.

     Who is trying to say its more virtuous to be non-straight. I dont think ive ever seen that as a public message from anyone other than a rare few extremist nut cases who were the exception, not the rule.

     What a lot of people ARE saying is it is wrong to be exclusionary of LGBT (such as seeing it as sinful or create a community which does not include LGBT welfare along side that of straights). No one is attacking conservatives for being straight lets be absolutely clear about that.