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1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Nov-2021 04:03:26 UTC Bernie

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   • Sharko42
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   @b847c1960 @wallace @pitbuster Wow, so many duplicates... and I don't see any #RedHat or #GNOME developers commenting!

   What's worse, this bug has been annoying users since April:
   https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/100962/

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Nov-2021 17:33:42 UTC Bernie

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     • Buster | Felipe
     • Sharko42
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     @b847c1960 @wallace @pitbuster Honestly, I think X11 security and latency could have been improved with a fraction of the engineering effort that went into Wayland, XWayland and adding Wayland support for all toolkits and apps.

     It's been over 10 years, and Wayland still hasn't achieved feature parity 🤬

   • /opt/boring (b847c1960@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Nov-2021 17:33:43 UTC /opt/boring

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     @codewiz @wallace @pitbuster not sure why it is not linked but i have had this issue from last year. I cannot recall was it due to retrace server availability because it was down for a while last or this year so detailed bug reports were missed. It is bizarre.

     Still it works better now and i have only one way of triggering it. Other than that, wayland is fine.

     And missing features? Perhaps drag'n'drop and X forwarding?

     We are not there yet. Year of X11? Sure!

   • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 05-Nov-2021 00:21:20 UTC Bernie

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     • Sharko42
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     @b847c1960 @wallace @pitbuster Fedora switched Gnome to Wayland a couple of years ago, and KDE defaults to Wayland since Fedora 34.

     But in both cases, it was rushed out too quickly: major usability and stability bug, popular 3rd-party apps broken in various ways, and various problems with Nvidia drivers which are being fixed only now.

     ...but now all these issues are in the past, and things are finally starting to work well enough for end-users to switch.

   • /opt/boring (b847c1960@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 05-Nov-2021 00:21:21 UTC /opt/boring

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     @codewiz @wallace @pitbuster i mean, X11 works fine right now. We can use it, there has been a new release 24h ago.

     We can use it until further notice i think. DE-s and WM-s are still unlocking Wayland secrets. Electron prgrams are gonna do it (fun fact: i played with wayland only after your post to confirm this all). Life will be in Wayland. To be quite frank, it was adopted a few releases back by major distros as default right?