Notices by /opt/boring (b847c1960@mastodon.online)

@codewiz oh dont get the wrong idea: i love what they are doing and i like the force behind this project. Still, it is low hanging fruit and it might not be enough.

Give linux to average Joe and then take notes. Linus is not that person and naturally, he cannot see it through his eyes.

Also, there was a list of all things wrong with linux. Maybe i could find it.

@codewiz after so many years of customer service, i simply can vouch for users and their desire to have the least learning curve and stable environment. Whoever is not seeing that will have to have a hard reality check.

@codewiz no. This is not the way, especially from someone who favours KDE, which was and still is buggy. I love floss but we need to fix more and make everything more stable and similar to existing systems so we can reduce learning curve for newcomers.

We need to get our high horses and stop thinking that people will adapt to our buggy systems. We have gnome which i stable but people want more options. We have kde which is buggy and people want more stability and less options.

@codewiz @wallace @pitbuster i mean, X11 works fine right now. We can use it, there has been a new release 24h ago.

We can use it until further notice i think. DE-s and WM-s are still unlocking Wayland secrets. Electron prgrams are gonna do it (fun fact: i played with wayland only after your post to confirm this all). Life will be in Wayland. To be quite frank, it was adopted a few releases back by major distros as default right?

@codewiz @wallace @pitbuster not sure why it is not linked but i have had this issue from last year. I cannot recall was it due to retrace server availability because it was down for a while last or this year so detailed bug reports were missed. It is bizarre.

Still it works better now and i have only one way of triggering it. Other than that, wayland is fine.

And missing features? Perhaps drag'n'drop and X forwarding?

We are not there yet. Year of X11? Sure!

@codewiz @wallace @pitbuster it works good. There is one bug tho in gnome-shell: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1947045

I cannot say who is to blame here but this is not happening on xorg so wayland? Also i test it in sway from time to time and disable Xwayland to check the state of the apps and ability to run in wayland only. Not so good at the moment. It will be better :)