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  1. Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Nov-2021 08:24:19 UTC Bernie Bernie

    Like most people, I believed that the energy used by an electric circuit flowed within the conductors (or at least on their surface, due to the skin effect).

    But that's a misconception, and anyone who learned Maxwell's equations in school already has the key to guess why:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHIhgxav9LY

    In conversation Monday, 22-Nov-2021 08:24:19 UTC from mstdn.io permalink

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    1. The Big Misconception About Electricity
      from Veritasium
      The misconception is that electrons carry potential energy around a complete conducting loop, transferring their energy to the load. This video was sponsored...
    • chebra (chebra@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Nov-2021 14:48:34 UTC chebra chebra
      in reply to

      @codewiz I really want to see the experimental proof for this one, because I have a thought experiment to counter it. If we put the light bulb at the far end, at 1 light second away, I thinkwe would agree that it takes 1 second to light it, because even the EM field propagates at c. But what if we put the light bulb back and instead place a switch at the far end? The switch will be closed first, but we will open it less than 1s after connecting the battery, before the EM field reaches the switch

      In conversation Monday, 22-Nov-2021 14:48:34 UTC permalink
    • chebra (chebra@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 27-Nov-2021 21:27:02 UTC chebra chebra
      in reply to

      @codewiz so if the light bulb lights, doesn't that violate causality?

      In conversation Saturday, 27-Nov-2021 21:27:02 UTC permalink
    • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Saturday, 27-Nov-2021 21:27:47 UTC Bernie Bernie
      in reply to
      • chebra

      @chebra Spooky action at a distance?

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_at_a_distance

      In conversation Saturday, 27-Nov-2021 21:27:47 UTC permalink
    • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 07:49:45 UTC Bernie Bernie
      in reply to
      • 1lyaP

      @1lyaP My understanding is that only the electric field flows inside the wires, inducing a magnetic field around them, and the energy flows perpendicular to both (outwards from the generator and inwards into the load).

      In conversation Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 07:49:45 UTC permalink
    • 1lyaP (1lyap@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 07:49:46 UTC 1lyaP 1lyaP
      in reply to

      @codewiz That's a very interesting video with a clickbait header. Obviously, in the given example, energy DOES flow in wires. There are no inductivity in a circuit or smth. Cut or remove any wire and bulb will always turn off.

      In conversation Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 07:49:46 UTC permalink
    • chebra (chebra@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 08:12:04 UTC chebra chebra
      in reply to

      @codewiz seems like my question has been answered here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQsoG45Y_00 at around 30min he says that it would work the same even with an open circuit, so I guess that means the wires act like giant wireless antennas, and in my example the light bulb would light immediately and continue shining even with the distant switch open (AC) or just blip immediately and then stop (DC).

      In conversation Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 08:12:04 UTC permalink

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      1. EEVblog 1439 - Analysing Veritasium's Electricity Misconceptions Video
        from EEVblog
        Dave analyses Veritasium's video "The Big Misconception About Electricity" and how energy flows in the Poynting vector in the electromagnetic field OUTSIDE t...
    • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 08:12:04 UTC Bernie Bernie
      in reply to
      • chebra

      @chebra Found a 2 year old video explaining the same principle, and visualizing how, in DC, energy actually flows _into_ the wires from the surrounding space... and also explaining where this energy ultimately comes from:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7tQJ42nGno

      In conversation Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 08:12:04 UTC permalink

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      1. Circuit Energy doesn't FLOW the way you THINK!
        from The Science Asylum
        Based on the laws of electrodynamics, energy cannot flow in the same direction as the electric current. According to the Poynting vector, electric power will...
    • Bernie (codewiz@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 08:22:28 UTC Bernie Bernie
      in reply to
      • chebra

      @chebra Found a 2 year old video explaining the same principle, and making it more clear how, in DC circuits, energy actually flows _into_ the wires from the surrounding space... and where this energy comes from:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7tQJ42nGno

      In conversation Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 08:22:28 UTC permalink

      Attachments

      1. Circuit Energy doesn't FLOW the way you THINK!
        from The Science Asylum
        Based on the laws of electrodynamics, energy cannot flow in the same direction as the electric current. According to the Poynting vector, electric power will...

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